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To: river rat
Has Obama ever been Baptized?

Short answer - - NO!

There is much confusion surrounding the date of Obama's conversion.  Some newspaper reports place this event in 1988.  On Fox News, March 14th, 2007, Obama himself places this even in 1992.

Nobody, except Obama knows if his conversion to Christianity is real or not.  Although some reports and even Obama have referred to a "baptism", there doesn't appear to be any record of a baptism.

Chicago-based journalist, broadcaster and critic Andy Martin, when asked about Obama's baptism, wrote, "I have never been able to obtain any evidence that he was baptized, although I asked for those records."

It seems that Obama's conversion occurred when he  answered one of Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright's altar calls by  walking down the aisle of Trinity Church to make a formal commitment of his faith.

Cathleen Falsani, religion columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times, writes, "He (Obama) described his conversion experience in his mid-20s, how he walked the aisle at Trinity United Church of Christ one Sunday in a public affirmation of his private change of heart."

"I came to Christianity through the black church tradition where the line between evangelical and non-evangelical is completely blurred.  Nobody knows exactly what it means."

"Does it mean that you feel you've got a personal relationship with Christ the savior?  Then that's directly part of the black church experience.  Does it mean you're born-again in a classic sense, with all the accoutrements that go along with that, as it's understood by some other tradition?  I'm not sure."

"There are aspects of Christian tradition that I'm comfortable with and aspects that I'm not.  There are passages of the Bible that make perfect sense to me and others that I go, 'Ya know, I'm not sure about that.'"

"It wasn't an epiphany," he says of that public profession of faith. "It was much more of a gradual process for me. I know there are some people who fall out. Which is wonderful. God bless them.... I think it was just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me."

Falsani warns us that Obama’s walking the aisle at Trinity is poles apart from what Christians commonly refer to as being "saved, transformed or washed in the blood."  In other words, it’s not to be confused with what Jesus called being "born again."  As Mr. Obama himself explains, "It wasn’t an epiphany … but just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me."

In another account of this event, Manya Brachear, writing in the Chicago Tribune, describes the event thusly:  "When Obama sought his own church community, he felt increasingly at home at Trinity.  Before leaving for Harvard Law School in 1988, he responded to one of Wright's altar calls and declared a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

Falsani wonders, "What kind of faith is it that is growing in Barack Obama?  Is it the historic Christian faith?  Not according to the good senator, who describes his faith as: (1) Suspicious of dogma (2) Without any monopoly on the truth (3) Nontransferable to others (4) Infused with a big healthy dose of doubt, and (5) Indulgent of and compatible with all other religions."

Unlike traditional Christianity, which Mr. Obama bemoans for its "call to evangelize and proselytize," the good senator’s faith is strictly a personal and private affair.  Although he has no qualms about parading it in public in hopes of bolstering his political career, he would never dream of preaching it to others in hopes of converting them to Christ.

At the core of Obama's faith -- whether lapsed Muslim, new Christian or some mixture of the two -- is African nativism and Obama's having pledged allegiance to the Black Value System raises political issues of its own.

Request for info: If anyone, anywhere, can validate Obama's baptism, please contact me via feedback or email with a source, link or other documentation.

The Obama File


59 posted on 04/30/2008 3:05:01 AM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: Beckwith

Wow!
Thanks for the long answer....and for the link to your home page...

Looks like this old man will be up late for several nights reading from the outstanding selection you offer...

Again - thanks, and thanks for being in the forum..
I didn’t know folks like you still exited in Massoftwoshits.
(Named for Kennedy & Kerry)


62 posted on 04/30/2008 8:36:31 AM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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