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McCain moves to middle on health care (what a guy, why does this not surprise me)
Policito.com ^ | 4/29/2008 | MIKE ALLEN & JONATHAN MARTIN

Posted on 04/29/2008 6:15:15 AM PDT by stockpirate

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is proposing a greater federal commitment to people without health insurance on Tuesday, suggesting that it help funds states to set up non-profit risk pools to help Americans who are denied coverage or can’t afford it.

McCain’s health-policy experts provided a ballpark estimate of $7 billion a year for the new federal commitment.

“Cooperation among states in the purchase of insurance would … be a crucial step in ridding the market of both needless and costly regulations, and the dominance in the market of only a few insurance companies,” McCain says in remarks prepared for delivery Tuesday morning in Tampa, Fla.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; communism; election2008; healthcare; independentvote; issues; marxistmiddle; mccain; mccare; middlemyeye; middleofmarx; notmiddle; socialism
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To: stockpirate

one way to remove 20 million “uninsured” people is to get rid of the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! Oh sorry thats right we are talking about Jaun McAmnesty....


61 posted on 04/29/2008 8:07:39 AM PDT by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Because Liberal Is As Liberal Does

I hear ya!

sorry everyone for my misspelled words but I am PO and not doing a very good job of proof reading.

BTW - bush is giving a speech and says high oil prices will INCREASE investments in ethnenol We are screwed.

62 posted on 04/29/2008 8:09:20 AM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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To: stockpirate
The more McCain opens his mouth, the more I worry that we might actually end up with Obama as President.

I'm starting to understand why so many conservatives are attacking Obama so hard even if it means Hillary might win the nomination. I'm afraid that McCain is the most beatable of the three candidates, and as horrible as Hillary is, she's considerably better than Obama.

63 posted on 04/29/2008 8:10:01 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: al_c

Why should he? Just because some socialist agenda is up that helps you out at the moment? DManA is right, the problems we are dealing with were created by the Goverment, what would make you think they can fix it and it will be better?
Get ready folks as the time is near...TEOTWAWKI


64 posted on 04/29/2008 8:10:04 AM PDT by JDickeson75 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: stockpirate
"have been hoping that McCain just might move a little to the right to shore up his base, but it appears his head is too far up his ASK for that to happen."

Isn't that what he did? he's not calling for universal health care anymore...:o)

65 posted on 04/29/2008 8:10:22 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: mimaw
Are you under the impression that employers are paying for their employees' health insurance? They most certainly are NOT. (Social Security payroll taxes are split 50/50 with employees, and made up for by lower salaries). Health insurance costs are most often borne by employees through a payroll premium deduction, in addition to point-of-service fees and/or deductibles. The insurer can charge a somewhat lower premium due to the availability of group rates, but that's no different from what a self-employed person can get through a host of private membership associations. My family's health insurance currently costs about $7500 a year, even though the wife and I both work and have HMO/PPO plans through work. None of this is deductible either, to the extent that it does not exceed 7.5% of AGI, as Federal tax law requires.

Furthermore, costs are still escalating rapidly due to the same old problems: out-of-control lawsuits and government intervention in the health care industry (Medicaid/Medicare) resulting in huge unfunded mandates. What McCain now proposes, state (read: taxpayer) subsidies of high risk pools, would further warp the market for medical services by creating excess demand at artificially low prices.

What's needed in health care is less, not more government. In the interim, a good start would be to make 100% of eligible health care premiums tax-deductible - as opposed to doling out "rebate" checks, often to people who don't pay much in the way of taxes in the first place.

66 posted on 04/29/2008 8:11:32 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Kill the terrorists, secure the borders, and give me back my freedom.)
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth

“one way to remove 20 million “uninsured” people is to get rid of the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! Oh sorry thats right we are talking about Jaun McAmnesty”

He will also raise taxes, appoint liberal justices to the court, I don’t care what he says.

He main advisor is the same man the Dole said told Senators that Souter was a conservative.

McCain is a Socialist first!


67 posted on 04/29/2008 8:12:30 AM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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To: Nathan Zachary

McCain is calling for the Feds to fund health care via the states.

I thought his old position was let the free market work.


68 posted on 04/29/2008 8:14:21 AM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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To: untrained skeptic

I think you have a point grasshopper.

Plus we can fight her in Congress but not McShame


69 posted on 04/29/2008 8:15:26 AM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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To: stockpirate
"BTW - bush is giving a speech and says high oil prices will INCREASE investments in ethnenol We are screwed. "

Don't believe all the BS floating around about ethanol.

It's good stuff. There is a lot of rapidly developing technology coming down the pike. You'll feel better in the future when you realize all that money once spent on foriegn oil is staying in America and the degree of technical jobs in America expand rapidly- all because of developments happening in Bio fuels, ethanol and biomass technology.

70 posted on 04/29/2008 8:15:39 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Paige
Also, let us not forget, McCain believes in Global Warming...Oh!... Does this mean Al Gore will be his running mate? Interesting!!

Nah. Juan's too far left for The Goreacle, politically. ;)

71 posted on 04/29/2008 8:16:31 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: stockpirate
"McCain is a Socialist first!

unlike the other two, McCain is an American patriot. yes he's a liberal, but at least he's not a traitorous marxist/jihadist.

72 posted on 04/29/2008 8:18:50 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: TADSLOS
Oh, you mean the AZ that's swamped with illegals seeking healthcare? You mean the AZ that Juan McCain represents and who champions shamnesty for the very illegals that shut down your hospitals? THAT AZ? LOL!

Now, THAT left a welt!!! ;)

73 posted on 04/29/2008 8:19:00 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: al_c

The conservative solution is to get the government OUT of health care, not further into it. The first mistake the right has made is to accept the liberal premise that we need further government intervention to fix the government-created problem. Most health care costs have skyrocketed since the 70s. One of the few exceptions—orthodontia, the cost of which has increased significantly less than the rate of inflation. Likewise Lasik eye surgery. Why? Because few health plans pay for it, and those that do, pay for only a small portion. The consumer pays directly and therefore has an interest in keeping costs down. The free market works, every time it’s tried.

The only thing government should do is advocate that people buy individual, instead of employer-paid, catastrophic policies before they need them and pay the rest of their costs out of pocket. Such policies are very affordable; they empower consumers instead of government and bring costs down.

Anything other than that is a socialist solution, and it doesn’t cease being a socialist solution just because the guy proposing it has an “R” behind his name. Coopting the left’s ideas does not fix problems, it exacerbates them.


74 posted on 04/29/2008 8:20:08 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet (The NC GOP is McCain's maverick.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

“McCain is an American patriot.”

LOL! McCain-Kennedy was a big fat exercise in patriotism, huh?


75 posted on 04/29/2008 8:24:50 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet (The NC GOP is McCain's maverick.)
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To: LadyNavyVet
“McCain is a Central and South American patriot.”

What was actually meant, doubtless. ;)

76 posted on 04/29/2008 8:26:59 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: stockpirate

While McCain runs as liberal, Hillary is running as a conservative. What an upside down election.


77 posted on 04/29/2008 8:27:17 AM PDT by myuhaul
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To: al_c
What can we do to remedy the under and uninsured issue?

Looking for a conservative solution to a problem manufactured by liberals, is not conservatism at all.

78 posted on 04/29/2008 8:34:28 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (There was once consensus that the world was flat.)
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To: TADSLOS
Oh, you mean the AZ that's swamped with illegals seeking healthcare?

This is the same Arizona which went from a low tax state to where State taxes were the forth highest in the country. All to fund immigrants. White immigrants. From California, Illinois, New Jersey.

Those pesky Messicans have pushed taxes up to where taxes are now 33rd highest in the country.

79 posted on 04/29/2008 8:37:47 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: LadyNavyVet
The conservative solution is to get the government OUT of health care, not further into it. The first mistake the right has made is to accept the liberal premise that we need further government intervention to fix the government-created problem. Most health care costs have skyrocketed since the 70s. One of the few exceptions—orthodontia, the cost of which has increased significantly less than the rate of inflation. Likewise Lasik eye surgery. Why? Because few health plans pay for it, and those that do, pay for only a small portion. The consumer pays directly and therefore has an interest in keeping costs down. The free market works, every time it’s tried.

Finally, a real answer to #37. Still waiting on DManA's brilliant ideas though.

80 posted on 04/29/2008 8:41:40 AM PDT by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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