Posted on 04/28/2008 12:01:40 PM PDT by Delacon
Wow, I finally agree with something that came out of the EU. The position paper you posted is in line with what I and what I think Mr. Derbyshire believes. Though I don’t see creationism/ID as the threat the EU believes it to be.
“You mean like what you and Godless liberals have in common with ObamaNATION of ISLAM’s ELITIST VIEWS OF CONSERVATIVES that bitterly cling to God and guns?”
You’ll have to parce that one for me. Are you calling me a liberal? Are you saying because I don’t believe in ID/creationism that I can’t be a con? Are you saying that muslim and christian fundamentalists don’t have common cause over creationism? What? Explain please.
yeah, there are lots of commie hardcore atheists in the EU. Apparently there is a Turkish muslim group pushing ID. There were a few ministers that wanted to include ID in class, but there is no popular support for it. Most european protestants are not as religious as American ones.
Derbyshire does go too far, but I also wondered why Ben got involved with this.
You can see something similar with Ann Coulter. She goes to the extreme, even when she doesn't have to.
Somebody call this twit a ‘Whaaaaa-mbulance”. Good lord.
That's simply inaccurate. If that had been what the film was about, it wouldn't have been entirely about ID.
I've got lots of beefs with our universities and what they teach. This was only about one.
Stein most definitely was attacking Darwin. Blaming him for Nazi Germany is not only ludicrous, but a vicious attack.
Shame on Ben Stein. And shame on his defenders who deny what he's doing.
“Yup....little weasely liberals like Michael Newdow hijacking his own daughter to get God out of the pledge...they hijack government, if they can’t do that, it’s the legal system. Sad little angry people, liberals!”
Didn’t your Momma teach you that two wrongs don’t make a right? Thats the problem. Everyone is either trying to do an endrun around the constitution or they are busy trying to figure ways to get the government to solve their problems with society.
I think FAR more conservatives understand that science isn’t some etched in stone thing defined by a chosen elite few and/or OWNED by liberals in academia. Which is the ENTIRE point of the movie!
Science or scientific method itself isn’t even something scientists agree upon, when ID isn’t even at issue!
UFO’s are often unexplained scientifically, so we’re just to forever reject such phenomona as fairy tales also?
OR should we continuously re-evaluate the data before such sweeping determinations are made for everyone?
How about THEORIES?
I’ve seen “scientists” call each other names or bash another’s work as quackery just because they provided data that may say something THEIR research didn’t conclude!
For instance:
Tomorrow some drug will again be bad...then good, then bad...all because of new data!
So we’re just to FOREVER strike anything ID from science just because....”it’s NOT sciene”, when NO one group or individual can come to a concensus on what exactly science IS in the first place?
NO THANKS! Reminds me too much of Stalin’s Russia!
As I said before, creation doesn’t exclusively belong to science, and science as we understand it now won’t look the way it does 1000 years from now, much like medevel barbers were the scientists of 1000 years ago.
(Unless of course we’re forced to stay stagnant as liberals would have us!)
Besides, it’s theory. S
And shutting it off because of anger at God or the religious isn’t good enough.
Those who are bashing Expelled and Stein, even here on FR,
demonstrate his exact point.
What kind of logic is that??
Steyn can't be criticized because that would only prove his point?
What an enviable position to be in. "Anything anyone says only proves I'm right."
It's like the prophet who predicts that people will criticize him, thus innoculating himself from criticism.
It doesn't work that way among thinking people.
Euroweenies are weak-kneed spineless people that are having their culture overrun by Islamo-fascists (this time around).
GREAT point!
LOTS and LOTS MORE people don’t.
Yeah!
How dare they demand that ID advocates produce some evidence for their theory before they start teaching it in science classes! How dare they deny tenure to someone who fails to back up his assertions with empirical evidence!
I’ll ask a question about Derbyshire that I have been asking about the many media proponents of global warming: to what extent does Derbyshire have scientific knowledge to back up his opinion? Or, is he repeating back what he has heard from others?
I’ll ask a question about Ben Stein that I have been asking about the many media proponents of global warming: to what extent does Stein have scientific knowledge to back up his opinion? Or, is he repeating back what he has heard from others?
I’m merely handing you your very own logic back at you!
You made the crack that those who believe God created all we know have such in common with Islamists...and something about “what a crowd to run with...or to have things in common with”.
And yet you’re somehow not aware that you have as much in common with Godless liberals by demanding ID be squashed?
And now the Euroweenies?
Here’s another clue, FAR more Godless liberals are hell bent to keep ID (indeed God in general) not only out of science but public schools, INDEED public all together, than do conservatives!
And still far more conservatives that agree with you, aren’t so insecure as to BAN all they disagree with!
Furthermore, are YOU saying one can only be a “fundamentalist” to accept ID as a scientific theory?
btw...I’ve yet to see a conservative refer to themselves as a “con”...just FWI. ;)
bump
Curiosity raises an interesting point - he says simply that it’s not unreasonable for IDers to provide the proof. OK, what about your fossil records?
Watch the documentary and watch Prof. Dawkins spew his anti-religious bigotry.
Mind you, I don’t care what you believe. I have some atheist friends who I talk “philosophy” with all day long.
Also, There’s no chance whatsoever that Darwin saw an “evolution” of a species after on a few years - I’m talking about the birds on the island (I forgot the name of the island). Biological evolution doesn’t happen over the course of 36-48 months.
Yours truly,
The Woim
“What’s the “Judeo-Christian religion?” I ask this in all sincerity as a practicing Jew. I’ve never heard of such a thing.”
Kaker, you’re Jewish? I thought you were an Athiest?
Careful. "Scientific Theory" means nearly the opposite of how it is used outside of science.
There is no way that ID could be classified as a scientific theory. At best, it's a philosophy about something regarding science.
"It looks pretty fancy, so it must be designed" is not how we reach scientific conclusions.
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