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FLDS attorney challenges Texas count of pregnant minors from polygamous sect [Not 20, but maybe 3]
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 4 25 08 | Brooke Adams

Posted on 04/25/2008 9:49:53 PM PDT by Howdy there

An attorney for FLDS families in Texas today challenged the state's claim of a pervasive pattern of underage girls having children, saying the state's own documents show that just two teenagers in custody are pregnant.

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Of the three teenagers listed as pregnant, Parker said, one is about to turn 18 and another refused to take a pregnancy test, he said.

"That leaves us with one," he said. Based on that list, Parker said, "I challenge the CPS to come forward with the pregnant minors."

Chris Van Deusen, a CPS spokesman, said, "The only thing we can say is we're aware that there are 20 girls who became pregnant, and they were between the ages of 13 and 16.

"That's not to say that there are 20 now, but at the time theyconceived, they were 13, 14, 15 or 16," he said. "That establishes that there is some sexual abuse here."

Parker said the 20 minors the state has identified either as pregnant or mothers actually had children over a 10-year period.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: childabuse; flds; lostboys; polygamy
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

i believe that is Carolyn Jessup.


41 posted on 04/26/2008 4:49:11 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: Howdy there

Of course an FLDS lawyer is going to say they’re over 18! They’re going to try that on as many as they possibly can. Because then they can be represented by an FLDS lawyer and not a court appointed one. And because the fewer underage girls, the less men can be charged.


42 posted on 04/26/2008 4:56:25 AM PDT by ktscarlett66 (Face it girls....I'm older and I have more insurance....)
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To: Howdy there
The chart does not indicate whether the women are legally married or the ages of the children's fathers. Among them: One woman, now 30, listed as having given birth to her first child in 1993 when she was 14

I wonder how many are actually like this something that happened in years past. The ranch is just a few years old so women like this one had the child in another state so I do not see what Texas can do except remove kids under civil law.

43 posted on 04/26/2008 5:08:06 AM PDT by mouser (run the rats out its the only hope we have)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

That’s Carloyn Jessop who fled the group with her 8 kids in the middle of the night a few years ago. She wrote a book about it called “Escape” and appeared on Oprah 2 months ago before the raid.


44 posted on 04/26/2008 5:20:27 AM PDT by Rameumptom (Gen X= they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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To: Howdy there

Actually, until VERY recently, one could MARRY in Texas at the age of 14, with parent’s consent. The cops FORGET that.


45 posted on 04/26/2008 5:26:31 AM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: pepsionice

You do know the difference between willing teen sex and rape?

You do know the difference between a free child and one bred to be used to make babies via a man she doesn’t choose to have sex with?

Just checking.


46 posted on 04/26/2008 5:27:30 AM PDT by najida (On FR- Most guys see themselves is Brad Pitt, and think every woman here is Aunt Bea)
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To: humblegunner

I said the same thing, and he called me evil :)

I’m with you, I think he’s a one handed typing Jeff’s fan.


47 posted on 04/26/2008 5:28:25 AM PDT by najida (On FR- Most guys see themselves is Brad Pitt, and think every woman here is Aunt Bea)
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To: Howdy there

There have been LOTS of prego 14-year olds, legally married, in Texas in the past....and there are a TON of them NOW...UNMARRIED, in ghettos in Dallas, and Houston.


48 posted on 04/26/2008 5:33:00 AM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: 2harddrive

Again,
if they were eaten up with hormones and boyfriends, sad as it is, their pregnancies are the results of free choice.

If they were handed over via their mothers to old men to have sex with them as breeding stock, as wife #5, without their choice or consent, it slavery and rape.

Big, big difference.....

The pregnancy isn’t the issue, it’s how the pregnancy occured.


49 posted on 04/26/2008 5:35:44 AM PDT by najida (On FR- Most guys see themselves is Brad Pitt, and think every woman here is Aunt Bea)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

To enlighten myself?


50 posted on 04/26/2008 5:37:05 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Crim

“(ok the one in the corner is kinda cute...no the other corner)”

she looks less than overjoyed to be there doesn’t she?


51 posted on 04/26/2008 5:39:57 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: allmendream
Does the religious leader of my hypothetical home town recommend child rape and welfare fraud as a way of life? Is he imprisoned on charges of accessory to child rape? Is the entire “home town” in on an ongoing conspiracy to commit child rape and welfare fraud?

YES! YES! YES! IF:


52 posted on 04/26/2008 5:45:35 AM PDT by ricks_place
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To: Howdy there; P-Marlowe

Pregnancy rates isn’t the issue. You can go into any high school in the nation and find 20 pregnant girls now, and the number will be much higher over the last 10 years.

If pregnancies are adequate reason to walk off with kids and close down organizations, then we’ll be closing down all the public high schools (and many private ones) in the next month or so.

The issues are that:

a. The kids don’t know their moms and the moms don’t know their kids or they aren’t talking. It is NECESSARY to sort that out to establish parentage/responsibility. You can’t just assign some kid to some lady because you like their hair color.

b. This place has something like 400+ girls to about 24 boys. That is odd. How does that accidentally happen? And if it isn’t accidental, then how has it been brought about.....selective abortion of males?? Sending males off someplace??? Tiny little male graves??? Some odd genetic factor???


53 posted on 04/26/2008 5:46:05 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: najida

Just another bit of the wonderful legacy of that collossal fraud, Joe “I’d hit it!” Smith.


54 posted on 04/26/2008 5:50:09 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: allmendream
Does the religious leader of my hypothetical home town recommend child rape and welfare fraud as a way of life?

Are public school teachers considered religious leaders?

55 posted on 04/26/2008 5:56:49 AM PDT by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
Anyone who trusts the media to accurately report on a Christian community in todays anti-Christian climate,...

I am very concerned about govt. interfering in individual liberties and religious freedom, but these folks are not Christians.

56 posted on 04/26/2008 6:10:24 AM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: xzins

Excellent argument! Those were my thoughts exactly! Where are all of the boys? My assistant and I were discussing that very thing.


57 posted on 04/26/2008 6:20:41 AM PDT by N8VTXNinWV
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To: finnsheep

That is simply not true. Everyone knows that teenagers outside this community don’t get pregnant and certainly in the commune there is no way a teenage female gets pregnant by anyone under the age of 50. If you have facts to prove otherwise then post, if not, then you must be a Mormon or child rapist.

/S


58 posted on 04/26/2008 6:25:53 AM PDT by commonguymd (Let the socialists duke it out.)
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To: Howdy there
“That’s not to say that there are 20 now, but at the time theyconceived, they were 13, 14, 15 or 16,” he said. “That establishes that there is some sexual abuse here.”

That's called statutory rape. Git a rope!

59 posted on 04/26/2008 6:31:51 AM PDT by TheDon
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To: Telepathic Intruder
Are you talking about the Branch Davidians? The gov't is a bit kinder and gentler these days...


60 posted on 04/26/2008 6:36:00 AM PDT by TheDon
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