Posted on 04/25/2008 11:46:37 AM PDT by kingattax
Sometimes you have to tip your hat to people you don't necessarily like, and I feel that way these days about the Clintons. Bill and Hillary are smarter than the rest of us. They're playing chess while we're playing checkers.
That's because we're looking ahead a couple of months. Who will get the nomination? Or we're looking toward November. Who will win the election?
The Clintons are several moves ahead of us. They're looking toward 2012.
It became clear a couple of months ago that Barack Obama was going to get the nomination. Given the way the delegates are allotted on a proportional basis rather than on a winner-take-all basis, Obama's lead became insurmountable during his winning streak. And there was never a realistic hope that the superdelegates would overrule the will of the voters. If they did, there would be chaos. The party would risk alienating its single most faithful bloc — African-Americans.
So let's play chess. Let's look ahead. Let's assume that Obama wins the nomination. If you are the Clintons, what then?
You've got to hope that he loses the general election. If he wins in 2008, he'll run for re-election in 2012. That means the next chance for Hillary would be 2016. She'll be 69 by the time that election comes around. (She'll be 61 in October of this year.) Chances are, her time will have passed.
Also, the odds will be against the Democrat in 2016. This is true no matter how Obama does in 2012. If he were to win re-election, we would have had eight years of a Democrat in the White House. After eight years, people are usually ready for a change. Plus, there would be a vice president who might seek the nomination.
(Excerpt) Read more at stltoday.com ...
Weren’t people saying the same thing about Hillary’s strategy 4 or 5 years ago, “She’s got a great strategy for 2008!” ... Ha, ha, ha ... Death spirals are so fun to watch.
i’ve been saying this for a while. She also said that only she and McCain were ready to be CinC on day one.
"THERE IS ONLY THE FIGHT..."
An Analysis of the Alinsky Model
A thesis submitted in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the Bachelor of Arts degree under the Special Honors Program, Wellesley College, Wellesley, Massachusetts.
Hillary D. Rodham
Political Science
2 May, 1969
[from page 10...]
"Alinsky outlines American history focusing on men he would call 'radical,' confronting his readers again with the 'unique' way Americans have synthesized the alien roots of radicalism, Marxism, Utopian socialism, syndicalism, the French Revolution, with their own conditions and experiences:
Where are the American Radicals? They were with Patrick Henry in the Virginia Hall of Burgesses; they were with Sam Adams in Boston; they were with that peer of all American Radicals, Tom Paine, from the distribution of Common Sense through those dark days of the American Revolution...
The American Radicals were in the colonies grimly forcing the addition of the Bill of Rights to our Constitution. They stood at the side of Tom Jefferson in the first big battle between the Tories of Hamilton and the American people. They founded and fought in the LocoFocos. They were in the first union strike in America and they fought for the distribution of the western lands to the masses of people instead of the few...They were in the shadows of the underground railroad and they openly rode in the sunlight with John Brown to Harpers Ferry...They were with Horace Mann fighting for the extension of educational opportunities...They built the American Labor movement...
Many of their deeds are not and never will be recorded in America's history. They were among the grimy men in the dust bowl, they sweated with the share croppers. They were at the side of the Okies facing the California vigilantes. They stood and stand before the fury of lynching mobs. They were and are on the picket lines gazing unflinchingly at the threatening, flushed, angry faces of the police.
American Radicals are to be found wherever and whenever America moves closer to the fulfillment of its democratic dream. Whenever America's hearts are breaking, these American Radicals were and are. America was begun by its Radicals. The hope and future of America lies with its Radicals.9
Words such as these coupled with his compelling personality enabled Alinsky to hold a sidewalk seminar during the 1968 Democratic Party Convention in Chicago. He socratically gathered around him a group of young demonstrators on the corner of Michigan and Bilbo on Monday night telling them that they were another generation of American Radicals.10"
Hillary Clinton’s Wellesley Thesis:
pdf file:
http://www.gopublius.com/HCT/HillaryClintonThesis.pdf
photo copied original:
http://www.gopublius.com/HCT/HillaryClintonThesis.html
Source for both:
http://gopublius.com/hillary-clintons-wellesley-thesis-page/
CBS News article:
Hillary Rodham's 1969 Commencement Address
The Speech That Got Her First Media Coverage:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/03/politics/main3448588.shtml
Hillary and the Black Panthers: The Real Story
Richard Poe
Tuesday, Aug. 19, 2003
I can't take it anymore. If one more person sends me that e-mail about Hillary and the Black Panthers, I'll have to be dragged away screaming in a straitjacket.
You know the e-mail I'm talking about. It accuses Hillary of helping the Black Panthers get away with torture and murder during the early 1970s. With the 2004 presidential race drawing near, the spam mills are creaking to life, flooding the Internet once more with this agitprop classic.
Unfortunately, the e-mail mingles good information with bad, sowing more confusion than enlightenment. Some versions, for instance, carry the byline of radio talk jock Paul Harvey, who says he did not write it. Such misrepresentations help Hillary defenders dismiss the e-mail as a hoax.
The story is no hoax, though. Its basic elements can be found in respected Hillary biographies and exposes such as Barbara Olson's "Hell to Pay," David Brock's "The Seduction of Hillary Rodham," Joyce Milton's "The First Partner" and Carl Limbacher's "Hillary's Scheme."
Here are the facts:
In May 1969, fishermen discovered the body of Black Panther Alex Rackley floating in Connecticut's Coginchaug River. Rackley's captors had clubbed him, burned him with cigarettes, scalded him with boiling water and stabbed him with an ice pick before finally shooting him in the head.
New Haven detectives learned that the Panthers suspected Rackley of being a police informer. Panther enforcers had tied him to a chair and tortured him for hours. Police arrested eight Panthers and later extradited Panther leader Bobby Seale from California, after a witness accused Seale of ordering Rackley's death. (1)
Campus radicals supported the Panthers. They organized mass protests in support of the so-called "New Haven Nine." Hillary was right in the thick of it.
By the time she entered Yale Law School in 1969, Hillary was already a radical celebrity on campus. Life magazine had featured Hillary in a piece titled, "The Class of '69," which showcased three student activists whom Life's editors deemed the best and brightest of the year. A line Hillary used in her Wellesley College commencement speech appeared under her photo: "Protest is an attempt to forge an identity." (2)
At Yale, Hillary helped edit the Yale Review of Law and Social Action – a left-wing journal which promoted cop-killing and featured cartoons of pig-faced police. (3)
A series of hard-Left mentors introduced Hillary to the brass-knuckle realities of revolutionary activism. As a Wellesley undergraduate, she met and interviewed radical organizer Saul Alinsky, whose Machiavellian tactics she admired. Hillary's senior thesis supported Alinsky's call for class warfare. (4)
At Yale, Hillary found a new Svengali in the form of left-wing law professor Thomas Emerson, known around campus as "Tommy the Commie." Emerson recruited Hillary and other students to help monitor the trial of the New Haven Nine for civil rights violations. Hillary took charge of the operation, scheduling the students in shifts, so that student monitors would always be present in the courtroom. She befriended and worked closely with Panther lawyer Charles Garry. (5)
Some believe that the enormous pressure exerted by the Left helped ensure light sentences for the New Haven Nine. Whether or not this is true, the punishments were mild.
"Only one of the killers was still in prison in 1977," reports John McCaslin in the Washington Times. "The gunman, Warren Kimbro, got a Harvard scholarship and became an assistant dean at Eastern Connecticut State College. Ericka Huggins, who boiled the water for Mr. Rackley's torture, got elected to a California school board." (6)
Hillary's defenders argue that she played no "significant" role in the New Haven Nine's defense. This is semantic hairsplitting. Obviously, Hillary was less "significant" than Charles Garry or "Tommy the Commie" Emerson. But Hillary served as a trusted lieutenant to these movers and shakers. Moreover, she had a national profile as a campus activist. Hillary was no rank-and-file student protester, as her apologists claim.
Indeed, Hillary's work for the Panthers won her a summer internship at the Berkeley office of attorney Robert Treuhaft in 1972. A hardline Stalinist, Treuhaft had quit the Communist Party in 1958 only because it was losing members and no longer provided a good platform for his activism. (7) "Treuhaft is a man who dedicated his entire legal career to advancing the agenda of the Soviet Communist Party and the KGB," notes historian Stephen Schwartz. (8)
The defense of the New Haven Nine marked Hillary's initiation into the sinister underworld of the hard-core, revolutionary Left. To my knowledge, Hillary has never publicly renounced nor apologized for her role in that movement.
Richard Poe is a New York Times best-selling author and cyberjournalist. For more information on Poe and his writings, visit his Web site, RichardPoe.com. He may be reached at richardpoe@....
References
1. Joyce Milton, The First Partner: Hillary Rodham Clinton. William, Morrow and Company, Inc., New York, 1999, p. 35. Barbara Olson, Hell to Pay: The Unfolding Story of Hillary Rodham Clinton. Regnery Publishing, Washington, D.C., 1999, p. 55.
2. Milton, 1999, p. 34; Olson, 1999, pp. 40-45.
3. Olson, 1999, p. 59-61; Evan Gahr, "Hillary and the Cop-Bashers: Will the Real Ms. Rodham Please Stand Up?" JewishWorldReview.com, June 20, 2000.
4. David Brock, The Seduction of Hillary Rodham. The Free Press, New York, 1996, pp. 14-17; Olson, 1999, pp. 46, 48, 50.
5. Milton, 1999, p. 17; Brock, 1996, pp. 31-32; Olson, 1999, p. 54-56.
6. John McCaslin, "Hillary for the Defense." Inside the Beltway, The Washington Times, June 12, 1998, p. A9.
7. Olson, 1999, pp. 56-57.
8. Brock, 1996, p. 33.
http://www.legaled.com/hillaryatyale.htm
From the Maoist Internationist Movement:
Black Panther Party [BPP] Archives
Article: "REVOLUTIONARY HEROS"
excerpt...
"On May 1st, May Day, the day of the gigantic Free Huey rally, two of Alioto's top executioners vamped on the brothers from the Brown Community who were attending to their own affairs. These brothers, who are endowed with the revolutionary spirit of the Black Panther Party defended themselves from the racist pig gestapo.
Pig Joseph Brodnik received his just reward with a big hole in the chest. Pig Paul McGoran got his in the mouth which was not quite enough to off him.
The revolutionary brothers escaped the huge swarm of pigs with dogs, mace, tanks and helicopters, proving once again that "the spirit of the people is greater than the man's technology."
To these brothers the revolutionary people of racist America want to say, by your revolutionary deed you are heroes, and that you are always welcome to our camp."
Article: "REVOLUTIONARY HEROS"
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/bpp/index.html
Clinton's sympathy for Marxist terrorists
September 27, 1999
©2008 WorldNetDaily.com
Between 1974 and 1985 the FALN (Puerto Rican Armed Forces of National Liberation) organized 120 terrorist bombings in the United States. Many Americans were killed in those bombings, and many more were crippled. In 1983, another Puerto Rican terrorist group known as the Macheteros, attacked and robbed a Wells Fargo armored car in Connecticut. The Macheteros intended to use the money to finance a terrorist campaign against the United States. Working under the cover of Puerto Rican nationalism and claiming to act on behalf of the "oppressed people of Puerto Rico," the FALN and the Macheteros are nothing but Communist revolutionaries. Both groups were organized by Fidel Castro's secret police. The ultimate goal of the FALN and the Macheteros is the creation of an independent Marxist-Leninist dictatorship on the island of Puerto Rico.
While Timothy McVeigh awaits execution and has no chance of receiving a pardon for his role in the Oklahoma City bombing, President Clinton has seen fit to pardon 11 FALN terrorists and five Macheteros who have been serving prison sentences in the United States. Some people are wondering why Clinton did this. It was not a popular move. What pressing political reason did Clinton have for releasing 16 Communist terrorists and revolutionaries from jail?
If we look back to the Vietnam War, we find that Clinton gave active support to the Viet Cong -- who were also terrorists. Clinton also gave his support to the Marxist-Leninist dictatorship of Ho Chi Minh. Writing to ROTC Director Eugene Holmes in December 1969, Clinton admitted to working for a Communist front organization, the Vietnam Moratorium. Clinton acknowledged, "One of the national organizers of the Vietnam Moratorium is a close friend of mine. After I left Arkansas last summer, I went to Washington to work in the national headquarters of the Moratorium, then to England to organize Americans for the demonstrations of Oct. 15 and Nov. 16."
Clinton is a smart man, and he certainly was perceptive enough to realize who he was working for.
The Vietnam Moratorium was first conceived at a meeting in Stockholm in May 1969. The meeting was sponsored by the Soviet-controlled World Peace Council through the auspices of the National Committee to End the War in Vietnam, also known as the Student Mobilization Committee -- or MOBE. According to a secret FBI memo issued in October 1969, "Communists are playing dominant roles in ... the Student Mobilization Committee." Present at the Stockholm meeting was the Viet Cong leader Nguyen Thi Binh. Also present was a North Vietnamese Communist official, Nguyen Minh Vy. As it happens, the work of MOBE was praised by Leonid Brezhnev and Aleksei Kosygin.
In July 1969 MOBE was reorganized by veteran Communist Party member Sidney Peck and a group of activists from the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS), a Marxist think tank from which President Clinton has made several key appointments. IPS was founded by Richard Barnet and Marcus Raskin in 1963. Most of the money they used came from the Samuel Rubin Foundation. According to Dr. Rael Jean Isaac, Rubin was a Comintern member and a Communist agent.
The founders of IPS, Barnet and Raskin, dedicated themselves to helping Communist revolutionaries. Both men hated the United States and openly supported the Communist cause during the Vietnam War. In the mid 1980s Barnet visited Communist Nicaragua, staying at the home of Thomas Borge, chief of Nicaragua's secret police.
Now declassified, FBI File 100-447935-119 makes special mention of the Institute for Policy Studies, stating that "this group played an insidious and influential role in developing strategy and tactics for all phases of subversion, seditious activity, racial conflict and revolutionary political agitation and violence. ..."
Should we be shocked to discover that President Clinton has appointed outright Marxist subversives from the IPS to key government jobs? An IPS leader and an outspoken Marxist, Derek Shearer, was appointed as one of Clinton's top economic advisors, and was later appointed U.S.
Ambassador to Finland. IPS leader Morton Halperin, a supporter of the notorious KGB agent and CIA turncoat Philip Agee, is now a leading official in the State Department. Anthony Lake, Clinton's one-time National Security Advisor, was once an IPS instructor.
Given these appointments, President Clinton's clemency for Puerto Rican Communist revolutionaries shouldn't surprise anyone. According to a recent article by J. Michael Waller in Insight magazine, the White House has been secretly pushing to get a U.S. entry visa for Castro's terrorism chief, Fernando Garcia Bielsa. Waller explains that Bielsa, a high ranking Cuban official, is charged with overseeing the terrorist activities of the FALN and the Macheteros.
According to provisions of the 1996 Anti-Terrorism Act, entry into the United States is to be denied to any person who is a representative or member of a designated terrorist organization. Cuba has long been classified by the U.S. State Department as a sponsor of international terrorism. Intelligence sources also indicate that Mr. Bielsa personally oversaw funding and support for the Macheteros. Logically, he cannot be allowed into the United States. Nevertheless, the White House wants Fernando Garcia Bielsa to come to Washington. Once established at the Cuban mission in Washington, Bielsa would be in an excellent position to direct the terrorist groups he is charged by Castro with supervising. Given the release by Clinton of 16 members of his terrorist following from U.S. prison, Bielsa's striking power has increased. Ominously, the stage may soon be set for a new Communist-sponsored terrorist campaign.
It should be noted that Communist Cuba was given a very special role by the Soviet General Staff in the event of World War III. That mission involved Cuba's biological and chemical warfare capability. According to intelligence sources, Cuba has two main biological and chemical facilities -- which are ideal for supplying terrorists. One is at Jardin de Orquilles, close to the town of Soroa; and the other is located at Kimonor, in the province of Matanzas. Kimonor is also home to a special army school staffed by Russian instructors. According to the Russians, if toxic weapons were used at strategic locations along the Mississippi River, a third of the United States could be contaminated.
Some observers have suggested that Clinton's clemency of the Puerto Rican terrorists was timed to help Hillary Clinton win Puerto Rican votes in New York. But that is unlikely, because Puerto Ricans are not pro-Communist or pro-terrorist by nature. As a matter of fact, the "oppressed people of Puerto Rico" love their commonwealth status within the U.S. As it happens, Puerto Rican residents do not pay federal taxes. They enjoy all the rights of American citizenship except that of voting in national elections. The local government of Puerto Rico is, in fact, democratically elected. In elections the Puerto Rican Independence Party rarely draws more than four percent of the vote. The New Progressive Party, which wants to make Puerto Rico the 51st U.S. state, draws about 48 percent and the Commonwealth Popular Democratic Party -- which favors continued Commonwealth status -- also draws about 48 percent. ,p> While the U.S. media was happy to describe the released terrorists as Puerto Rican nationalists, the truth is very different. Rather than serving the cause of the Puerto Rican people, these terrorists are agents of a hostile foreign power. True to form, the Clinton White House continues to give aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States.
J.R. Nyquist, a WorldNetDaily contributing editor and a renowned expert in geopolitics and international relations, is the author of "Origins of the Fourth World War." Visit his news-analysis and opinion site, JRNyquist.com.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=19760
That's two more facelifts and 12 more botoxings from now...let's first help Barry close the deal...
Democrats don’t typically do retreads. She’s already toast. She may run again but won’t ever get the rat nomination.
Dream on, yo-yo, dream on.
I agree. The Clintons have too big of egos to let someone else beat them at their game. They want to WIN NOW.
By 2012, Jay Leno can tell jokes about how old she is by then, like the ones he is using now for Mc Cain.
If McCain wins, he needs to have picked a young competent CONSERVATIVE to take over in case he is informed.
Then Mrs. Bill Clinton would have either McCain to take on or the V.P. who could just be in the cat birds seat.
And if you think she is a shrill old witch now can you see her in 4 or 6 years?
I posited something similar to this position months ago here on FR and why she needs to win the primary NOW not 2012.
2012 is too late for her. If Obama wins the general or McCain wins the general there is Obama’s second term, and or McCain’s second term or McCain’s VP if McCain decides not to run again.
Hillary is “all in”, in this cycle. She simply must win, for her there is NO TOMORROW !!
Come June 2, you will see the “destroy Obama” drip of damaging information on Obama. The drip will beget a river, leading to the super-delegates realizing that, for the good of the party they will have to push Obama overboard and nominate Hillary.
As sure as the sun comes up tomorrow, she will destroy Obama, it just can’t point back to her, or her campaign.
After the primaries are over, and she’s only 120 (plus or minus a few) delegates behind they will torpedo this thing and swoop in to save the day.
Many on this side have already figured that the Clinton are moving toward a 2012 race if she doesn't pull this one off. She already knows that McCain is a one term president, so she will do everything in her power to make sure that he take the WH in November. Hillary will be standing on the sidelines to criticize Obama during every step of the GE.
While I don't want us to let down our guard, it looks like we will keep the WH in November. Hopefully McCain will pick a VP that the GOP can rally behind in 12.
Don’t pay attn to McClellan, he’s a lefty of the Nth degree. (at least I think so!)
Geez, in 2012 she’d start to look like Emperor Palpatine.
(of course, if looks were everything, Kirsten Bell would be president.)
This is exactly the reason that the country is conservative. With people like Barack and Hillary on full display it is inevitable, in the end, that conservatism will triumph.
These are all reasons for optimism.
All of us here sorta figured this was the plan. If you notice the first Clinton was elected after 12 years of Republicans and now the second Clinton could too.
She is very tenacious, admirably so. I just cannot imagine her backing down ... ever.
That will be her demise.
schu
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