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Posted on 04/23/2008 1:12:30 PM PDT by CitizenM
Warning to residents of Hopewell, VA and surrounding area about the water.
That's a very strange explanation. One might think it has never rained there before.
From Saturday through yesterday (when it was still raining steadily), this area had received about 5 1/2 inches of rain.
Needless to say, that's ~slightly~ higher than normal.
Consider the alternative:
[Government and Medicine Viewpoints Differ About One Chemical— CHLORINE!
The Georgia Department of Natural Resources, Environmental Protection Division enforces “RULES FOR SAFE DRINKING WATER “ under the GEORGIA SAFE DRINKING WATER ACT (PL93-523). Section 391-3-5-.14(2) of Georgia State Law reads as follows:
“(2) The supplier of water must continuously chlorinate the water to maintain a residual of free chlorine in all parts of the distribution system in the amount of at least 0.5 parts per million, and such additional amounts as may be determined necessary by the Division, unless other means of disinfection have been approved by the Director.”
Doctor Patrick Flanagan, named at age 17 as one of the Top 10 Scientists in America by Life Magazine, recently advised in his book ELIXIR OF THE AGELESS that: “Drinking tap water is a slow form of suicide, today’s tap water is yesterday’s toilet water, too thin to plow and too thick to drink. Chemicals (chlorine and fluorides) used to treat water are positive charged cationic electrolytes that are potentially destructive to the colloidal balance when ingested into the human system. As one result, people die........inch by inch, not really knowing what is wrong!”
Marshall Mandell, M.D., recently published in his book, 5 DAY ALLERGY RELIEF SYSTEM: “Most cases of so-called psychosomatic illness are allergic and nutritional in origin - attributed to water borne chlorine “ and that: “in short......everything man drinks is polluted with chemical agents that are foreign to his chemistry, and he is suffering the consequences of possessing a body that is incapable of handling the by-products...”
Dr. William Campbell Douglass, M.D., head of Georgia’s oldest (five generation) practicing medical doctor family, began warning his patients against drinking chlorinated tap water during the early 1970’s:
“....Chlorine is a very strong oxidizing agent, like bleach, and its effect of the blood vessels is one of destruction...it kills our cells...”
Jonathan V. Wright, M.D., advises readers in the HEALTH FREEDOM NEWS, that the long term effects of exposure to “chlorine in the water supply have scarcely been investigated” and that it (the chlorine) “in water combines very easily with various living substances, forming new organic compounds.” Doctor Wright advises that while “chlorination is a necessary evil in public water that does not mean it has to be in you. It shouldn’t be.” And:
“I don’t think it’s wise to expose yourself to the risk of chlorine, fluoride, and other miscellaneous chemicals in your water supply.”
Richard A.Kunin, M.D., in his recent book MEGA NUTRITION (A Program to Prevent Disease) said this about chlorine: “...even in minute quantities sufficient to kill germs, chlorine can undermine the body’s defenses against arteriosclerosis. Chlorine in drinking water creates electrically charged molecules called free radicals....that can damage the intima of blood vessels and so create the environment for plaque formation...”
H. Ray Evers, M.D. was recently quoted: “the chances are that cardiovascular disease will be the cause of death in 3 out of 5 people and that this is contributed to by environmental pollution in water which can add to the harmful toxic build-up in body chemistry.” Dr. Evers forewarns:
“The bottom line is clear: of all the ways you could die, there is a 60 percent chance that cardiovascular disease will kill you.”
Richard A. Passwater states on page 162 of SUPERNUTRITION that many carcinogenic compounds are washed into our streams which ...
“...were once thought to be harmless but are now known to react with the chlorine used to treat the water we drink to form dangerous carcinogens...”
Dr. Michael Alvania of the National Cancer Institute in Bethesda, Md. conducted a study of 7 counties in New York and reported:
“...what you could say without any equivocation is that my study demonstrated that people living in areas served by chlorinated water have twice the risk of contracting cancer...”
Researcher Joseph Price, M.D. stated that autopsies performed on U.S. soldiers who were killed in Vietnam showed that many had over 50% arterial blockage, although only in their late teens or the early twenties - caused by chlorine in their drinking water. Doctor Price conducted his own study on the effects of chlorine and he reported that while it is a slow death: “sooner or later chlorine is going to kill you” ... and “...to sum everything up, I must say that chlorine in your drinking water is the absolute cause of heart attack and strokes...”
Note: Near 3,000 deaths in America occur each day from consequences of these diseases.
“A Drive to ban Chlorine is becoming one of the most significant environmental fights in decades.”
USA Today, October 21, 1993
Today, more and more people are becoming aware of the hazards of chlorine. Several countries have already banned chlorine, while many more are in the process of doing so.
In the United States, corporate giants have already jumped on the bandwagon and are using safe, effective alternatives to chlorine.
McDonalds, the hamburger giant, is phasing out their chlorine-bleached french-fry bags because dioxin is leaking into the food. Dioxin is highly toxic, chlorine based carcinogen. Kinko’s, the photocopy giant, is meeting customer demand for “chlorine-free” bleached paper. Proctor and Gamble, manufacturers of Tide and other products, now have laundry detergents on store shelves with a “bleach alternative” in it. Bleach is the same as liquid chlorine - only half as strong.
There are over 10 million pool and spa owners in the United States who love to hear about our product. In addition, there are millions of ponds, fountains, industrial cooling towers, water recycling treatment systems and marine saltwater habitat systems that have problems with chlorine but don’t know about our product.
Environmental regulations are coming. Biophysica Pool Systems has a product that is a safe, proven and effective alternative to chlorine.
Chlorine and chloramines are commonly used to provide residual disinfection in water. Chorine will damage RO membranes and other process equipment and can otherwise affect a product or process. Chloramination, a more common practice used by municipalities instead of liquid or gaseous chlorine when organic levels in the water source are high, can cause problems with carbon filters. Chloramines will break-through the activated carbon at a much faster rate and must be steamed and replaced more frequently.
Pool & Spa News (March 9, 1994)
“U.S. Clean Water Plan to Ban Chlorine”
EPA may bar chemical from thousands of applications — including water treatment
By Eric Herman
In one of the most sweeping attacks ever on chlorine and chlorine-based products, the Clinton Administration announced a Clean Water Plan that could eventually eliminate the chemical’s use in thousands of products and applications.
The announcement, made February 1, 1994, by Carol Browner, administrator of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, was immediately embraced by environmental groups favoring a broad ban on chlorine — and just as swiftly assailed by representatives of the chemical manufacturing industry.
As Fred Weber, president of the Chemical Manufacturers Association, told USA Today, “There is only one word to describe our industry’s reaction: outrage.”
On the other side of the fence, those favoring the ban hailed the announcement as a major, positive step. Activists claim that chlorine destroys the environment and presents a health risk to people eating fish in water contaminated with chlorine-containing compounds.
The plan would call for the elimination of chlorine in the manufacture of textiles, paper, pharmaceuticals and in basic water treatment. The proposal would give industry time to develop alternatives — a process that could cost tens of billions of dollars.
Reaction from the pool and spa industry was swift as well: “This just doesn’t make any sense,” said Dave Karmol, director of government regulations with National Spa & Pool Institute. “The Clinton Administration’s proposal doesn’t take into account the wide range of applications of chlorine or any of its benefits to society.”
In response to the proposed ban of the 17th atomic element, NSPI has prepared a fact sheet that lists the benefits of chlorine and points out its widespread use in a variety of industries. According to the sheet, “This proposal is not based on good science and would be detrimental to the health and economic situation of all Americans.”
In a related story, also published in USA Today, a joint U.S./Canadian scientific advisory commission has issued a statement blaming chlorine for “startling health problems” and calling for both countries to ban it from the marketplace.
“There’s enough evidence to suggest that we need to deal with the problem,” said Gordon Durhill, U.S. chairman of the commission. Those problems, said the commission, include increased incidences of breast cancer, learning disabilities and behavioral problems in children and increases in male reproductive disorders.
“It’s one of the most important environmental policy statements ever made.” noted Bonnie Rice of Green Peace
Pool Chemical Fumes Drive Man from House
GREENE- A North River Road man fled his home after incorrectly mixing swimming pool chemicals in his kitchen, creating toxic fumes early Monday night, a Greene Rescue official said.
John Chouinard called for help after adding water to a chlorine powder, causing a potentially deadly fume, according to Alden Peterson of Greene Rescue.
Chouinard got out of the house without injury. Emergency officials responding to the scene required protective masks to avoid exposure to the lethal fumes.
“That mixture puts out a lot of gas and it’s very bad for you,” Peterson said. “In fact, it can kill you. You can’t send a firefighter into a situation like that without a mask.”
Chouinard called for help around 7:38 p.m. after a noxious cloud formed in his kitchen where he was attempting to prepare the solvent for his pool.
Peterson pointed out that mixing chemicals in closed space presents a dangerous situation even if the mixture is correct. The fumes can damage the lungs, he said.
Officials used special fans to ventilate Chouinard’s home before he could go back inside. According to Peterson, none of the Greene fire and rescue officials who responded to the home were affected by the fumes.
Sun Journal Sunday - July 1996
“Even mild asthma can prove deadly for children; 1 in 3 fatal attacks involves kids without severe symptoms, survey finds” at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13323810/
New study warns chlorine bad for asthma sufferers
The World Today - Thursday, 29 May , 2003 12:45:02 at http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2003/s867621.htm
“Pool Chlorine Linked to Asthma” at http://www.asthma.ca/corp/newsroom/eNewsletter.php?hiddenArtID=4
“Chlorine The Paradox: Formerly considered safe, now confirmed deadly”. by Barrie Carlsen at Vista health magazine http://www.vistamagonline.com/articles/page.php?tp=2&p=1&id=132&s=chlorine_the_paradox
CHLORINE PRODUCT ABSORPTION IN SWIMMERS IS GREATEST VIA THE SKIN
Lindstrom, A.B., Pleil, J.D., & Berkoff, D.C. (1997). Alveolar breath sampling and analysis to assess trihalomethane exposures during competitive swimming training. Environmental Health Perspectives, 105(6), 636-642
YOUNG SWIMMERS AT GREATEST HEALTH RISK IN CHLORINATED INDOOR POOLS
Aiking, H., van Acker, M.B., Scholten, R.J., Feenstra, J.F., & Valkenburg, H.A. (1994). Swimming pool chlorination: a health hazard? Toxicology Letters, 72(1-3), 375-380.
EXERCISING INCREASES THE TOXICITY OF A “SAFE” CHLORINATED POOL ATMOSPHERE
Drobnic, F., Freixa, A., Casan, P., Sanchis, J., & Guardino, X. (1996). Assessment of chlorine exposure in swimmers during training. Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise, 28(2), 271-274.
CHLORINATOR TABLETS POSE HEALTH RISKS
Wood, B.R., Colombo, J.L., Benson, B.E. (1987). Chlorine inhalation toxicity from vapors generated by swimming pool chlorinator tablets. Pediatrics, 79(3), 427-430.
The authors presented two cases of serious respiratory injury after brief exposure to vapors from solid chlorine compounds. No previous reports of such accidents were located and, therefore, this paper related these cases to alert the medical community. It was recommend that physicians caring for children include warnings about these preparations in their routine counseling of parents.
Implication. Chlorinator tablets are of such a concentration that acute exposure to them is hazardous.
DENTAL ENAMEL EROSION INCREASED IN COMPETITIVE SWIMMERS IN CHLORINATED POOLS
Centerwall, B.S., Armstrong, C.W., Funkhouser, L.S., & Elzay, R.P. (1986). Erosion of dental enamel among competitive swimmers at a gas-chlorinated swimming pool. American Journal of Epidemiology, 123(4), 641-647.
SWIMMING IN INDOOR POOLS ACCELERATES THE CONCENTRATION OF CHLORINATION CONTAMINANTS IN SWIMMERS
Aggazzotti, G., Fantuzzi, G., Righi, E., & Predieri, G. (1998). Blood and breath analyses as biological indicators of exposure to trihalomethanes in indoor swimming pools. Science of the Total Environment, 217, 155-163. In this article, exposure to trihalomethanes (THMs) in indoor swimming pools as a consequence of water chlorination was reported.
Beech, J.A., Diaz, R., Ordaz, C., & Palomeque, B. (1980). Nitrates, chlorates and trihalomethanes in swimming pool water. American Journal of Public Health, 70(1), 79-82.
Water from swimming pools in the Miami area was analyzed for nitrates, chlorates and trihalomethanes. The average concentrations of nitrate and chlorate found in freshwater pools were 8.6 mg/liter and 16 mg/liter respectively, with the highest concentrations being 54.9 mg/liter and 124 mg/liter, respectively. The average concentration of total trihalomethanes found in freshwater pools was 125 micrograms/liter (mainly chloroform) and in saline pools was 657 micrograms/liter (mainly bromoform); the highest concentration was 430 micrograms/liter (freshwater) and 1287 micrograms/liter (saltwater). The possible public health significance of these results is briefly discussed.]
"Dulles International Airport picked up 2.9 inches of rain Sunday, then another 1.58 inches had fallen through Monday night, bringing the two-day total to 4.48 inches. Sunday was the rainiest day ever recorded during the month of April at Dulles."
"You're goddam right I did!"
A neighbor and I had a conversation about this recently. Seems that Virginia was “cheap” when they ran the residential piping for drinking water. Instead of being buried a couple feet deep, the are in fact very close to the surface. This results in lots of bacteria growth as the pipes get warm in hot weather. The water in a lot of places in Virginia tastes of Chlorine because they have to flush out the bacteria on a constant basis.
At least that is what he water works people on the other end of the line state when you call and ask about it. Chlorine - Bad for bacteria, Good for you?????
FRmail to you.....
Sounds a bit risky to take a shower. Sticking my face into the water is too much of a habit.
Although it has rained a lot, it seems we had much more during Hurricane Isabel. So I am wondering if there is another problem. Of course, there was no water to drink at all after the hurricane, LOL. The plants had no electricity, thus no pumps worked. When it came back on, we were told to let it run a while first before using it. We all had to have bottled water until then. That lasted about a week. We had filled our tubs, pots, pans, etc. for cooking and washing, and purchased drinking water prior to the storm. Funny, last week I just dumped three containers of boiled water into my plants that I had been storing since that time. Just proves, the minute you throw something away, that is the minute you need it. My neighbor laughed when she saw the containers I had been keeping for 3 years! The county of Prince George has received this warning also.
The post you made states this:
>> Today, more and more people are becoming aware of the hazards of chlorine. Several countries have already banned chlorine, while many more are in the process of doing so. <<
But then goes on to only discuss removing chlorine from industrial purposes. What are the proposed alternatives for Chlorine in drinking water?
Ozonization, likely.
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Yeah, and the ground gets so saturated, there’s really no place for it to go.
We have a driven well, but I’m not sure that’s even good water. We have a filtering system so I drink water that we buy because of all the sodium. What to do, what to do?
Liquid silver can be used to treat water that you’ve saved and want to use for drinking. It’s supposed to be a natural remedy.
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