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To: Gamecock; Augustinian monk; HarleyD; wmfights; Alex Murphy; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan; xzins; ..
Jesus was probably the son of Mary and a Roman soldier who raped her during the Jewish uprising in Galilee

I don't believe that. There's lots of evidence to the contrary. They found some writings...

Director Paul Verhoeven discusses the importance of Christ's life on film

"I ask Verhoeven if he believes in the Resurrection. "I believe in the Resurrection of the Word," he says. "I believe the disciples felt that Jesus was with them again. The [story of the] fingers in the wound I doubt, but I think the disciples felt a strong force around them, though the Church has postulated Jesus resurrected in body and came back. The Jesus Seminar has clearly stated that Jesus was buried and his body was decomposed."

Raised a Catholic, I'd been trained to believe that Jesus went to the cross in measured steps, fully aware of where he was heading. But after reading histories of the bureaucratic hot-potato game the various Judean authorities played with the case of Jesus, the Crucifixion seems more like a ghastly mistake on behalf of three parties: the Romans, the Jews, and Jesus himself.

"The Jesus Seminar describes it as 'a car accident,'" Verhoeven says. "My guess is that Jesus was a Jewish cynic, witty and sharp, but then he had a change of mind and believed that the Kingdom of God was approaching. Remember that he was crucified for being king of the Jews, as a crown pretender...

" The message of Jesus is the way he lived. That he ultimately was killed was something that just happened. By seeing it as a sacrifice we diminish the importance of what he's thinking. Putting the Cross and the Resurrection at the heart of the story has diminished the importance of Jesus's message..."

ROTFLOL! He sounds like a sophomore in high school who hasn't even read the Cliff Notes, let alone the original source.

51 posted on 04/23/2008 9:23:24 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock

This isn’t a terribly new theory.

Only about 2000 years old is all.

You’d think they could at least get some new material, and beyond that, to quit pretending that this idea is something new that they’ve suddenly realized.


58 posted on 04/23/2008 9:34:50 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Yes, like the bible says, consider the source:

John 8:44

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

74 posted on 04/23/2008 10:15:23 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Jeepers... Thanks for the ping!


75 posted on 04/23/2008 10:39:06 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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Perhaps if he'd quit making things up in his own mind and read the scriptures he would come to the truth. But then that would be sola scriptura.
100 posted on 04/23/2008 6:10:28 PM PDT by HarleyD
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