Posted on 04/22/2008 11:01:38 PM PDT by icwhatudo
Just when the flag pin issue was dieing down, it seems Barak Obama has some explaining to do about a revised presidential seal on his website that shows an American flag being pierced by an arrow.
First picked up by by Freeper "prayforpeaceofJerusalem", the logo also shows what appears to be an American Eagle in retreat and a rising moon.
"I don’t know how to begin a thread, yet...and am not confident enough to do so anyway, but please, some of you, bring attention to he fact that Obama’s logo, as seen on his web site, http://www.barackobama.com/images/bg.jpg shows an arrow or spear through the stars and stripes of the USA; the flag is depicted torn; an eagle is turned away from and is departing from over the flag symbol; a moon is rising over the USA stripes in a dark night; and above the frame, top right, the curve of the wings of an eagle are depicted from the rear, as it is seen lifting, to fly away."
An enhanced version of Obama's logo:
The original presidential seal with Eagle holding the arrows:
Oh...we bow to you, oh expert one......
On the Obama logo, itself, the orb is rising over the stripes of the flag. That is what the creator of that logo states those stripes represent [but why is it prone, and why was it out at night, and why is Obama rising “over” it?]. The Us Presidential Seal representation shield in front of Obama’s image hides the “flag” [another flag protocol no-no], but if that is a cloth draped over the “arrow/spear/staff” at the top left, then there is no way that the arrow through the stripes at the bottom right can be considered only a “five stripe bunting”, as the top of that is too far away, in proportion to the bottom stripe sizes, for your view to be true.
The shield which is representing the breastplate of the eagle of the US Presidential Seal is in front of what appears to be a flag behind, but the arrow or spear is going through a hole in that flag, which is seen at the top left as draped over that “spear or staff”, but at the bottom right, it has gone through it, and has left a ripped hole.
There is no reason to believe it is a “five stripe bunting”
"Its not a gay symbol! Its just a rainbow!!!"
/sarcasm
I also don't think its some big conspiracy (no more than having an Obama campaign office with a cuban CHE flag) but symbols do have meanings and, whether its bad artwork or not, I'd love to know what the deal is with the 3 smaller stars and the facing of the bird.
Thinking an artist made this symbol with no meanings to the image selection is just as silly as thinking its some big "conspiracy".
The flag/banner/bunting or whatever does appear to be pierced by the arrow on the lower right as you said... (While appearing draped on upper left as others have said)
Thanks again for bringing it to our attention.
It’s not a Z it’s an E.
You better stop looking at that lousy logo so much or it’ll suck you into the monitor like Poltergeist.
Michael Rivero, is that you?
Did you know that the Columbia Pictures lady used to be draped in an American flag? Somewhere along in the ‘30s or ‘40s they faded out the colors to a near solid.
You need new glasses....
Someone else blew it up and enhanced it, and it is a “Z”.
I don’t need new glasses and if someone “blew it up” with a poor algorithm it could easily distort the outcome.
It’s an E.
I’ll tell you something else you probably didn’t notice, is that most of the image is reversed out (a negative). That’s how you get dark stars on a light background on the shield, and the top of the flag behind the shield is light rather than dark.
What I see are some people who have as much paranoia and conspiracy theories as the BDS moonbats.
Read what I said earlier. I do not believe this is a “conspiracy”. I do believe it is deliberate and arrogant mocking and that it is born of persons who have no respect for our USA and want to see it destroyed. It shows a sinister heart, but it is not a “conspiracy”.
And the vision of the dark hearts will not succeed, either.
Someone already enhanced it and posted it on the web and it is a “Z”.
You guys need to think about what you are claiming who claim there is distortion in the enhancement of it which shows it to be a “Z”, and how silly you look by claiming the “E” got distorted but the the “Pluribus Unum” came out exactly in proportion to it’s original and were clearly read as exactly what they were, right along with the clear “Z” -”Pluribus Unum”
Distorted? -No.
I’ve got 30+ years of art and graphics experience. I recreate pieces from low-res art frequently. I do this sort of stuff every day. You can see the center stem of the “E” even in the image on this page. Because the lettering is arched, and not perfectly evenly, the E is skewed just enough to fool your eye (by the serif) if you dismiss the E center stem as an artifact, or overlook it. The fact that the lettering has a drop shadow but is reversed out (so the shadow becomes lighter than the lettering) increases the tendency for error because you are naturally looking at the lighter part and assuming it is the main part of the letter.
Yes, the it’s a shield, but whether it is a banner or a flag is indistinguishable. The eagle is indeed, perched on the sheild rather than standing behind the shield and appears to be preparing for flight. The symbol in the center looks like a setting sun to me.
It’s definitely disturbing and worth questioning Obama about.
The eagle looks as though it has a rat head.
You would have to reproduce it without tweaking the “Pluribus Unum” and make the “E” a “Z” to be credible.
-No interference with Pluribus Unum. Can you do it?
Your post really shows your lack of understanding of the subject. I described my experience to show I have a good eye. When recreating a piece (and I recreate because I need vector rather than bitmaps for the work I do), one has to be able to discern the elements of the original.
As for Obama’s background image, no doubt it was designed to convey the same feelings as the rest of the site, without any sinister elements. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. That’s not to say Obama’s superficial aura of change doesn’t hide a Marxist.
“I’ve got 30+ years of art and graphics experience. I recreate pieces from low-res art frequently. I do this sort of stuff every day. You can see the center stem of the “E” even in the image on this page. Because the lettering is arched, and not perfectly evenly, the E is skewed just enough to fool your eye (by the serif) if you dismiss the E center stem as an artifact, or overlook it. The fact that the lettering has a drop shadow but is reversed out (so the shadow becomes lighter than the lettering) increases the tendency for error because you are naturally looking at the lighter part and assuming it is the main part of the letter.”
“Your post really shows your lack of understanding of the subject. I described my experience to show I have a good eye. When recreating a piece (and I recreate because I need vector rather than bitmaps for the work I do), one has to be able to discern the elements of the original.”
All I am asking you is to prove it, by reproducing it. Take Obama’s apparent “E” “Pluribus Unum” and enlarge it with the enhancements, so as to make the “Z” out of the “E” as you claim, and do so without the tweaking of the “Pluribus Unum”, so that they remain the same as in the enhanced version of it on the net.
On another web site which I found by google, they discussed this, and several people took the challenge and enlarged and enhanced the letters and posted the results; the “Z” is obvious, but as they said:-
” http://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/fcjpclbi.gif
SOME PEOPLE WILL SEE WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE
OR THEY GO WITH TOTAL DENIAL
I SEE ‘Z’ AS MOST OF US
IF YOU MAKE IMAGE GREY SCALE NEGATIVE
IT IS MUCH BETTER TO SEE IT”
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“ Enhanced pic of the Z PLURIBUS UNIM
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/fcjpclbi.gif.
In chemistry Z is used as a label for atomic number.”
I do not accept a “conspiracy theory” on this, but I do believe it is an arrogant attempt at showing their disdain for our nation, it’s symbols, and our Government, and that the flashing of it briefly, in a subliminacal manner only, is intended by them to mock all things US and to claim their intentions and desires.
If “Z” is connected to “atomic number”, then I also can believe that the huge cloud behind the whole scene of the fleeing bird and pierced flag and olive leaf branches dropped [which should be in the claws of the bird, as on US P Seal]is intended to be a rising mushroom clous. Esp as the original US P Seal has the small “Glory clouds” for the 13 stars on it and at top. In Obama’s image, the “glory” is now gone, and instead of the glory clouds depicted, an atomic cloud is rising from the bottom ground.
Whoever designed this intended to convey sinister and evil hatred for the USA, and everything associated with it in it’s symbols.
That is my opinion and it has been proved to me that it is so. Actually, on my own screen, the “Z” is plain to me without enhancement, since it was pointed out and I actually looked. I do have a large HD TV monitor, but I don’t know if that is helping me to see it without enhancement.
-But by all means, do the image for me yourself, and show me the clear and full text and prove that it is really an “E”, and not a “Z” with the unchanged “Pluribus Unum” beside it.
The head of that bird is really troubling, it appears to have teeth, and it looks more like a vulture than an eagle.
Do you think that Obama is aware of this seal? I was skeptical at first, but I went to his sight and it’s there and it looks exactly as you have posted it. I kept reloading the site until my computer slowed down and I could get a good look at it.
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