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Samson Blinded ^ | April 18 2008 | Anon.

[Alouette]

the thousands of Gazan civilians who ran across the border to buy food and supplies were just told by Hamas to do that for the news cameras.

They swarmed into Rafah because they are an out-of-control mob of rampaging savages, and Hamas made sure the news crews were in place.

FYI, starving people do not load up on cigarettes, king-size matresses, and wide-screen TV's.

[tabsternager]

I’m not surprised that Hamas, being as bad as it is, would engineer the cutting of the wall at the border that enabled thousands to stream into Egypt.

The issue is the blockade that Israel imposed as collective punishment on all Gazan civilians, which I got the impression that you have denied; right?

[Alouette]

The issue is the blockade that Israel imposed as collective punishment on all Gazan civilians, which I got the impression that you have denied; right?

The issue is the blockade that Israel imposed in order to protect her own citizens from terrorist attacks. Gaza civilians (who overwhelmingly voted for Hamas) get free food from the UN, they are the fattest "starving people" you ever saw, and they swarmed into Egypt for CHEAP CIGARETTES.

FYI, Israel continues to provide fuel to Gaza in spite of Hamas attacking the fuel depot and shooting at fuel convoys.

I'm getting bored of your stupidity, I'm now going to watch the election returns.

[Salem]

Oh, brother.

Glad I came in on the tail end of this one.

Nice commentary, people, as usual. It was very helpful.

[tabsternager]

“FYI, Israel continues to provide fuel to Gaza in spite of Hamas attacking the fuel depot and shooting at fuel convoys.”

Don’t you ever get tired of being wrong?

“’As far as I’m concerned, all the residents of Gaza can walk and have no fuel for their cars, because they have a murderous terrorist regime that doesn’t allow people in the south of Israel to live in peace,’ Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said before Barak’s decision (to temporarily ease the blockade) was announced.”

Do you really believe that thousands of Gazans streamed into Egypt just to buy wide-screen TVs, where they were marked up?

[Convert from ECUSA]

There are just some folks who just don’t get the message that our forum does not welcome them to come in and keep spewing their stuff. Even after numerous members have tried to explain things to them.

[forkinsocket]

The hell with fictional “international law”. Collective punishment & collective responsibility is an integral part of Middle Eastern culture. The Palestinian theatrics over collective punishment are meant for silly Westerners.

[Convert from ECUSA]

Hi mkjessup,

Sadly, there are those people who come on this forum and give Christians and Virginians a bad name. If they want to have their supercessionism, that is their freedom of choice. All I am is a Christian that has loved Israel for most of my life, regadless of which denomination I’ve ben in, and has believed that God did not toss them aside or revoke His Convenant promises to them. If He had done so, how could I, as a Christian, trust in the promises of the New Testament. I let everyone else argue about supercessionism vs. dispensationalism, etc., etc. I simply support Israel and the Jewish people because God has never stopped loving them and because the One I believe is the promised Messiah chose to be born a Jewish boy of a Jewish woman and foster father in the land of Israel some 2000 years ago. And everyone of the apostles that brought the Gospel to the Gentiles were Jewish.

If God had indeed decided to be through with them, they would long ago have disappeared, assimilated into other peoples. Where are the ancient Assyrians, Ammonites, etc. today? Gone. If the Lord was through with Israel and the Jewish people, then why were they preserved in spite of the odds, so many evil persecutions, etc.? Why did the Lord permit the nation of Israel to be re-established, even though most of the founders were not religious? Why has He permitted Israel to stand against great odds for 60 years? The only answer is that He still loves them, they are a part of His Plan in some way which we trust Him on in the Virtue of Faith; He is not finished with them, just as He is not finished with us Christians, He cherishes them, and so forth.

Granted, my views are that of a Christian, so I know that some of what I’ve said would not be agreed with by my Jewish friends. No matter. Push come to shove, I will stand by what I have believed and held dear for most of my life, and if in some people’s eyes, that means I may fry in Hell...well, if I have to choose between some of my “christian brothers and sisters” or the Almighty, then I will take my chances with the Almighty.

To my Jewish friends, I am sorry that there are some “christians” who seem to relish coming on this forum every so often to make in the fountain and persist in doing so even after numerous people have over and over made clear that their stuff is not appreciated or welcome. Not all of us are like that. Some people, sadly, seem to go out of their way to give Christians a bad name when there is no call to do so. Some people just plain didn’t have any raising from their mothers and fathers.

[Convert from ECUSA]

Oooops....my #88 was for you to read as well.

[antisocial]

“It is not the Jews’ fault they are being shot at.”

Well it partly is, as the article claims the leftists are the majority of the Israeli government. Leftists will concede anything for promises of peace.

[The Louiswu]

Looks like you put your foot in your mouth in a big way.

[forkinsocket]

Where are the ancient Assyrians

Heh, they actually still exist. I know many. They live primarily in Iraq & Syria. Because they are Christians now, they are in the process of being chased out of Iraq & seeking asylum elsewhere. Ironically, they are very friendly to Jews & supportive of Israel.

[antisocial]

“I guess they just did that for the news cameras.”

They went there to get more morters to fire at Israel.

[antisocial]

Just wondering ? Are you a Pali going to school at USC?
David Horowitz has been warning about campus jihad and you seem to be confirming it.

[strider44]

Let me ask you a few simple questions:
God is almighty, creator of heaven and earth...right?
God is infallable...right?
God is all-knowing, the master of the universe, etc...right?

My simple question is why does such a perfect all-powerful being need to be worshiped? Why would he care or demmand it? He will punish you if you don’t worship him? Does that make any sense at all? He needs a tiny, fly-speck, drop of protein and water (compared to the infinite vastness of the universe)to worship him? I don’t get it.

[tabsternager]

“The hell with fictional ‘international law’. Collective punishment & collective responsibility is an integral part of Middle Eastern culture. The Palestinian theatrics over collective punishment are meant for silly Westerners.”

I guess it’s okay, then, since muslims do it too. We silly Westerners just don’t understand how punishing 1.5 million civilians for the actions of Hamas is either smart or justifiable.

How is that approach working for Israel, btw? Are Gazans turning against Hamas now or even more against Israel?

[forkinsocket]

We silly Westerners just don’t understand how punishing 1.5 million civilians for the actions of Hamas is either smart or justifiable.

Exactly. Best stay out of Middle Eastern business & avoid more problems.

How is that approach working for Israel, btw?

Ha, if only Israel had the will & presence of mind to actually punish them collectively for more than a couple of days. Arabs will be hating Israel for a long time, it is a stupid waste of energy to try to make them "hate us less". They must fear.

[mkjessup]

Those are wise words my FRiend, and what the pseudo intellectuals and would-be sages fail to understand is that just as NOBODY has ever truly "broken" one of God's Commandments (what they have done is broken themselves UPON one or more of those Commandments), so too will such people come to a tragic end either personally or collectively by choosing to align themselves with the enemies of God, i.e., the Muslim cult of death.

And God is Victorious over ALL of His enemies, no exceptions, bar none.

Mess with Israel, and you mess with God.

Bless Israel, and you too shall be Blessed.

That's Scriptural.

[mkjessup]

He needs a tiny, fly-speck, drop of protein and water (compared to the infinite vastness of the universe)to worship him? I don’t get it.

He created you. He knew you before you were even conceived or thought of. You exist because of His mercy and compassion. You can be saved and pardoned from your sins because He died in your place, taking on the penalty of your own genetic flaw, i.e., sin.

Why? Because [John 3:16] "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, so that whosoever believeth in Him, shall not perish, but have everlasting Life."

The story of human history is underlined with human rebellion and sin against God, and as a sinless God, He cannot tolerate sin in His Presence. So in order to reconcile us individually to Him, He manifested Himself in the person of Jesus of Nazareth, Who lived a perfectly sinless life, and by the Law, did not have to die (i.e., "the wages of sin is death"). But Jesus laid down His life for us, shed His own Blood in place of our own, and that is why we should worship Him, for creating us, for loving us, for caring for us, for tolerating us instead of just snuffing us out, and then dying for us so that we might Live through Him.

That's what it's all about in capsule form.