Plenty of articles on Gaza border breach mention big-screen TV's, motorcycles and other luxury items
Posted on 04/22/2008 6:54:26 AM PDT by forkinsocket
Jews believe in the peace for various reasons. Some Jews are plainly self-hating, and just want a trouble for the Jewish state. Others are too tired of war, and just want to close their eyes to see the ivory tower of peace and happy relations between Jews, Egyptians, Iranians and whoever else. Some are primitive rationalists – look at the numbers of Jews in the utopian movements such as the communist one – and believe that every human problem, however immensely complex, can be reduced to a formula, discussed, and settled. Some politicians are crooks who use peace process to fool the masses into electing them. Some, notably the security establishment officials, see clearly that military methods fail to solve the problem, and opt for peace settlement. They just don’t realize that even in mathematics, and surely in social relations, some problems are inherently unsolvable. Or it may be the other way around: the leftist Israeli establishment appoints the brainwashed ultra-leftists for security positions, and naturally they support the hollow peace.
So instead of seeking an immediate solution, which ought to be wrong, Jews must accept the reality of intermittent low-level conflict which would drag on for the foreseeable future. We really don’t know what would happen in a few decades. Improvements in nuclear power generation can devaluate oil, causing immense poverty and hunger in overpopulated Arab countries. Such a scenario would increase the number of desperate terrorists but diminish the threat by impoverished regular Arab armies.
Arabs might get nuclear weapons, and surely leak them to terrorists who might or might not detonate them in Israel. That threat would only increase if peace agreements are signed, as Israel will find it diplomatically hard to preempt against friendly Arabs’ nuclear facilities.
Arabs might breed in Israel to the third of voters, join coalition with Jewish ultra-left and non-Jewish parties, and vote Jewish state out of existence, thus solving the problem of coexistence with Arabs. Or Jews might drive the hostile elements out of Israel.
There are so many unknown variables in the peace process that trying to predict it amounts to nonsense. Some things, however, are easy to understand. The Arabs don’t need peace with Israel: both peace and its absence are fine with them. They don’t need Israel’s assistance and don’t fear her attacks. Peace treaty won’t change the Arab behavior: they will continue supporting anti-Israeli terrorists if only to drain their countries of radicals and won’t entrust Israel to be a vizier of Muslim funds (economic cooperation). The only substantial economic feature that would come out of Israeli-Arab peace is heavy investment by Muslims in the politically sensitive Israeli real estate, the process which is well underway now and only waiting to be legalized.
Arabs, being completely indifferent to the peace process, offer Israel no concessions: Judea and Samaria must be abandoned, Jerusalem divided, and the refugees – compensated, with some of them allowed returning to Israel. That’s not really a peace plan, but an odd demand for capitulation of a victorious power to the defeated aggressors.
Israel, on the contrary, gives way continuously and receives nothing in return. Arabs did not reciprocate the evacuation of Jewish settlements from Gaza, a major step which divided Jewish nation and left a scar for decades. Rather, Arabs intensified their attacks on Israel. Superficially, that applies to Palestinian militants only, but they enjoy support of every major Muslim state: Syria (weapons), Iran (money and training), Egypt (logistics), and Saudi Arabia (money and diplomatic support).
Back in 1972, Sadat offered Israel peace with all Arabs in return for the Sinai and the Golan Heights, with no heed paid to the Palestinian state. Recently, Saudis offered Israel peace with all Arabs in return for Judea, Samaria, and Jerusalem. Now Israel negotiates with the Palestinians minute details of transferring them Judea, Samaria, and Jerusalem without expecting reciprocal peace with Arabs countries. The terms become progressively worse.
But the real peace problem, it’s not without, it’s within Israel. Israeli Arabs form a third of Israel’s young and absolute majority in several regions. The Jewish state now abandons religiously, historically, and strategically important lands to the Palestinian state so as not to be swarmed by two million Arabs living there. Reduced to the nine-mile-wide beachside state, Israel will be swarmed by her own Arabs – who accept no peace process. It is an official policy of the PLO – indeed, a democratic maxim – that the Palestinians will breed to majority in Israel and then vote to unify it with the West Bank Palestine. Moderates among Palestinians proclaim they have no problem with Jews living in the resulting Arab state.
Time solves the insolvable problems. Communism vanished from the book of time, leftist terrorism of 1970s ran to the end, and Islamic terrorism won’t be eternal. Radical ideas do not last long as burning societies fall back into tranquility. The current levels of Palestinian terrorism are artificial, entirely propped by Beilin-Peres policies which brought the defeated PLO from Tunisia to the West Bank, enthroned it, subsidized heavily, and promoted internationally as a peace partner. So a shabby cat felt itself a lion. Palestinians support fighting Israel for two reasons: hope and hopelessness. A hope to prevail, and daily hopelessness of their lives. Both can be solved, by the overwhelming force and emigration, respectively. The Muslim Brotherhood, PLO, Hamas, in turn became political organizations; other guerrillas will follow the same road. Palestinians will always remain hostile to Israel, as Jews took over what the Palestinians think is their land. Such hostility would translate into low-level sabotage, but not a meaningful war.
The peace process lacks a historical precedent. Never did hostile states negotiated peace for decades under fire. Peace never came through negotiations, but only through one side’s defeat. America negotiated with Vietnam for decades, but Vietnam was not at war with America; North Vietnam was at war with the South – and utterly defeated it. So the peace process failed in Vietnam, like elsewhere. Peace process is a leftist fallacy, a primitive rationalist approach to immensely complex problems which in fact can be exhausted, but never solved.
Exhausting the Palestinian problem is easy, and Israel did it with success: behead the national organizations, expel their leaders, everyone of the slightest stance in Palestinian society. No great numbers are involved: ousting a few thousand top members of Fatah, Hamas, and other popular organizations would do. When Israel kept systematically expelling PLO associates in 1960-80s, everything was quiet on our Western Front. Even though the PLO tried ruling Palestine through its Department of Popular Organizations which oversaw everything down to students unions, it was nothing compared to the electrifying fact of Arafat’s presence in the West Bank. Beilin-Peres clique brought Arafat from Tunisia to the West Bank, literally let the jinn of terrorism out of the bottle. They meant good, they meant Arafat to be their peace puppet. So they were wrong. As usual, societies pay in blood for leftists’ crumbling projects.
The majority of the Netherlands’ population was good to Jews during Holocaust. But the problem is, the Dutch were also good toward their minority who collaborated with Germans. The minority hunted us, and so 75% of Jews were murdered. The majority of Israelis are decent Jews who wish their country well. But unless they stand up to the vicious leftist minority, too few Jews would survive in Israel.
Is that what you’d call a “Zip Zot”? lol :)(:
C-from-ECUSA, that fool from Virginia is nothing but a delusional, fang-less Tabbycat long past their prime and now spewing anti-Israel and anti-Semitic hate speech under the guise of ‘even handedness’ and ‘fairness’ and all of that crapola. They probably think Jimmy Carter is a swell guy.
Push them hard enough and maybe they’ll trot out some of that USS Liberty conspiratorial garbage.
They love to talk about the Founding Fathers and how we should just pull back to Fortress America and let the rest of the world go hang.
That’s an understandable sentiment, but it is nothing BUT sentiment, America is an integral part of the world community, and were it not for America, this planet would be in darkness right now, both politically, socially, spiritually and very possibly, *literally*.
America is engaged in world events, and our survival as a Nation depends not on emulating an ostrich and trying to hide our heads in the sand, but from facing and confronting the threat of Islamofascism just as we faced and destroyed the Nazis and their ilk in World War II.
America WON World War III without firing one missile or dropping one nuke, and the Soviet Union’s demise proves it.
We are now engaged in World War IV, and we better wake the Hell up and realize that our Muslim enemies have no intention of surrendering, no intention of negotiating, no intention of ‘peaceful coexistence’, and this is a fight to the death, and we better damn well win it or the life expectancy of human history will be measured in decades following the collapse of the West.
Israel is our ally, the only true democracy in the Middle East (Iraq is still too new as a liberated country to know if their experiment in democracy is going to work), and we need to stand shoulder to shoulder with every Israeli and tell our mutual Islamic foes that if they want to be martyrs and go meet their 72 virgins and a buffet table, that we’ll manufacture, deploy and fire as many bloody bullets dipped in pork fat at their pathetic pedophile-inspired ‘warriors’ as we can, and we will be sure they reach their eternal ‘reward’.
The weak sisters and ostriches can just go hide under their beds until the war is either won, or until the Muslim hordes pull them out from their hiding places and hack their heads off as they did to Nick Berg.
“If Detroit and Wyandotte were getting shelled daily by rockets launched from Windsor and Amherstberg, you bet your sweet ass!”
Sorry, but if that were the case, I don’t think we’d impose a full blockade (which includes food and medicine) on Canada, which would only serve to invite more rocket attacks.
I think we'd retaliate severely, defeating the enemy in detail. And you know perfectly well that food, medicine and gasoline flow from Israel daily, despite the fact that the palestinians attack both the border crossings and convoys. Just as you know perfectly well that the "blockade", aka maintaining border security which is a nations right, to the south is maintained by Egypt, not Israel. Except for weapons, of course, which cross in tunnels, all the better to kill Jews with. Save you propaganda for the ignorant who might believe it.
So what’s your foolproof guaranteed-to-work plan for stopping rocket attacks and suicide bombers, Mr. “Give Peace A Chance,” that doesn’t involve total warfare?
“And you know perfectly well that food, medicine and gasoline flow from Israel daily...”
Then I wonder why thousands of Gazans broke through the border to Egypt to buy food and supplies.
(USAToday, January 23, 2008) “Gazans poured into Egypt to buy food, fuel and other supplies that have become scarce due to the blockade. Egyptian border guards and Hamas police took no action as Palestinians hurried over the border and began returning with bags of food, boxes of cigarettes and plastic bottles of fuel.”
I guess they just did that for the news cameras.
Big-screen TV's are such humanitarian necessities.
“So what’s your foolproof guaranteed-to-work plan for stopping rocket attacks and suicide bombers, Mr. ‘Give Peace A Chance,’ that doesn’t involve total warfare?”
How about a two-state solution? I know it’s a novel idea, but it hasn’t been tried yet. Then Israel can put up a wall at their border if they feel they need to, just as long as they have one on their own defined border (as in “defined borders” like all other nations have) and not a wall encroaching on Palestinian land.
“Big-screen TV’s are such humanitarian necessities.”
Perhaps to you, but big-screen TVs were not mentioned in the article.
Jesus wasn’t a messiah and therein lies your delusions.
For it was written long before Jesus’s arrival that the Messiah would herald G-d’s kingdom on earth.
So where is it?
Save your BS for someone else, you know perfectly well why, there were numerous threads at the time. It was orchestrated by Hamas, a foreign terrorist group whose tactics you apparently have sympathy for.
Like most terrorist groups, they've no respect for sovereignty, either Egypts or Israels. You've expressed disrespect for Israel, I don't know where you stand on Egypt, maybe you'll weigh in now.
Despite their tolerance for arms smuggling, Egypt has condemned the breach. They have strengthened the police presence on the border, which is closed. Period. To everything including humanitarian shipments. And have issued shoot to kill orders to their border guards.
Do you support Egypts shoot to kill order? So there's no question, I do. I'd support the same directive on our borders were there a terror threat, and dare I say I'd support it on Israel's, where terror attacks are a daily occurance.
Your double standards are clear. When you look in a mirror, do you see two tabsternagers?
Plenty of articles on Gaza border breach mention big-screen TV's, motorcycles and other luxury items
“It was orchestrated by Hamas...”
Speaking of BS, I know you can’t really be serious.
I just figured that he’d probably get the point better if his post was refuted with the same kind of logic.
:-P
Of course not, they simply engineered the breakthrough, then fired on Egyptian troops attempting to close the breach.
Those goodly, kind Jewkillers of Hamas, they had nothing at all to do with it. If they dinged a few Egyptians in the process, so what, more martyrs.
They have nothing at all to do with the attacks on the Israeli border posts either. Nor on the fuel convoys last week. And no, Israel doesn't supply electricity and fuel, any more than they allow food and medicine to pass. Or allow ill Gaza residents to Israel for treatment.
Those Jews, they're barbarians.
Hamas, now there's a fine, upstanding lot of fellows, worthy of your support and admiration.
As you know, you’re wasting your time with facts. The evil ones within Israel are to blame. And their neocon allies.
Oh, so you meant the actual breakthrough of the border was engineered by Hamas, which wouldn’t surprise me, but you did not mean that the thousands of Gazan civilians who ran across the border to buy food and supplies were just told by Hamas to do that for the news cameras.
So you’re not claiming, then, that there has not been a blockade by Israel on the Gaza strip as collective punishment, which is in violation of international law.
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