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To: dr_lew
since under Dawkins’ stipulation, this hypothetical ET ID would be restricted to materialistic methods

Yes, and materialism seems to be his religion. It is a belief. Often it seems adhered to with a fanatic denial of the possibility of there being God because of an adversion to the very idea of having to submit to a moral judge. Maybe because one feels one can never measure up. Maybe because one loves his or her suicidal and destructive independence not realizing that one cannot exist harmoniously outside of His jurisdiction. It is a great hope that these individuals will come to there senses and realize that God is LOVE and can and only can fulfill their deepest need and true desire which is to be truly and completely loved. This can only happen when one submits to the Father through His holy and perfect son, Jesus Christ, who died to pay for all of one's sin thus making one acceptable in the sight of The Eternal Judge who must keep justuce. A universe without justice would die a horrible death as does the soul not submitted to justice through The God of justice.

Life is so amazingly and utterly complex and almost and even possibly nearly infatestimally minute in it's organizational levels that this "alien" would have to be God in order to perform it.

68 posted on 04/21/2008 10:04:49 PM PDT by Bellflower (A Brand New Day Is Coming!)
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To: Bellflower

“A universe without justice would die a horrible death”

... and could never have come into being in the first place, IMO.


69 posted on 04/21/2008 10:20:43 PM PDT by Tellurian (Perception is interesting. Truth is overwhelming.)
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To: Bellflower
Yes, and materialism seems to be his religion. It is a belief. Often it seems adhered to with a fanatic denial of the possibility of there being God because of an adversion to the very idea of having to submit to a moral judge. Maybe because one feels one can never measure up.

I once read in a book of "Last Words" of some prince or somebody who refused last rites on his deathbed saying ... "I am curious to see what becomes of the unshriven".

He's my hero!

... typing this I suddenly wondered if this guy wasn't some sort of torture monster or something, but thanks to the miracle of the internet, I find he was an Italian painter, Peitro Perugino ... OK!

74 posted on 04/21/2008 11:14:01 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Bellflower
Life is so amazingly and utterly complex and almost and even possibly nearly infatestimally minute in it's organizational levels that this "alien" would have to be God in order to perform it.

There are whole shelves of books on the evolution of complexity. My favorite is: The Evolution of Complexity, by Means of Natural Selection by John Tyler Bonner

It is wonderfully detailed and footnoted. You might want to read it. It's a lot more than ID's one sentence body of work "It's complex so it must have a designer!".

100 posted on 04/22/2008 7:40:39 AM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: Bellflower
It is a great hope that these individuals will come to there senses and realize that God is LOVE and can and only can fulfill their deepest need and true desire which is to be truly and completely loved.

And if they don't realize that God is LOVE, then they spend eternity suffering in Hell?

This can only happen when one submits to the Father through His holy and perfect son, Jesus Christ, who died to pay for all of one's sin thus making one acceptable in the sight of The Eternal Judge who must keep justuce.

Does that mean Ben Stein will go to Hell if he doesn't convert from Judaism to Christianity?

110 posted on 04/22/2008 9:34:11 AM PDT by Ken H
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