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To: AndrewC
Many hospitals have a clear religious purpose, yet that does not make them or the medicine in them religion.

Hospitals have helping people as their mission. ID has spreading Christianity and changing culture as its mission.

And it looks like Muslims are riding on the coattails of the Christian ID work.

Which makes Christians distinct from ID'ers by your definitions(Since not all ID'ers are Christians and not all Christians are ID'ers).

The ID movement in this country was started by Christians for Christian purposes. That all Christians aren't in it, or that others believe too is absolutely irrelevant.

You can argue opinion over this, but the fact remains that the logic was solid, it was not a fallacy.

One of your problems is that you are equating the Discovery Institute with ID.

The Discovery Institute founded the ID movement in this country, set its strategies and provides funding. "Teach the Controversy" and the idea of evolution as a theory in crisis and dissent is their invention. I haven't found one of the top-rung ID proponents who doesn't have some connection to the Discovery Institute (Behe, Dembski, Berlinski and Gonzalez from the movie are actually fellows).

498 posted on 04/29/2008 5:30:54 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Hospitals have helping people as their mission. ID has spreading Christianity and changing culture as its mission.

Your implied "all" is not the same as my "many" when describing hospitals. The second part of that statement is false about ID. It may be true about Discovery, but I pointed out that ID and Discovery are not synonymous. Your opinion on Muslim methods of travel are irrelevant.

The ID movement in this country was started by Christians for Christian purposes. That all Christians aren't in it, or that others believe too is absolutely irrelevant.

Your assertion about the ID movement has so many holes in it that it is difficult to know where to start. First, Darwinians, claim that ID is creationism. Therefore, if DI=ID as you claim, creationism began with the formation of DI, clearly an unlikely event. Second, your use of "in this country", implies that there is ID outside of this country contradicting your DI=ID argument. Third, your declaration that non-Christians being a part of ID and Christians being a part of non-ID is irrelevant, is wrong since you assert, wrongly I might add, "ID has spreading Christianity and changing culture as its mission."

but the fact remains that the logic was solid, it was not a fallacy.

Nope. Still a fallacy.

I haven't found one of the top-rung ID proponents who doesn't have some connection to the Discovery Institute

Yeah?, and Bush has definite connections to "Big Oil". So what? But you clearly indicate that I am right, you do equate ID and DI. They are not, no more than NCSE is equal to Darwinism.

504 posted on 04/29/2008 6:05:49 AM PDT by AndrewC (You should go see "Expelled")
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