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To: antiRepublicrat
Hospitals have helping people as their mission. ID has spreading Christianity and changing culture as its mission.

Your implied "all" is not the same as my "many" when describing hospitals. The second part of that statement is false about ID. It may be true about Discovery, but I pointed out that ID and Discovery are not synonymous. Your opinion on Muslim methods of travel are irrelevant.

The ID movement in this country was started by Christians for Christian purposes. That all Christians aren't in it, or that others believe too is absolutely irrelevant.

Your assertion about the ID movement has so many holes in it that it is difficult to know where to start. First, Darwinians, claim that ID is creationism. Therefore, if DI=ID as you claim, creationism began with the formation of DI, clearly an unlikely event. Second, your use of "in this country", implies that there is ID outside of this country contradicting your DI=ID argument. Third, your declaration that non-Christians being a part of ID and Christians being a part of non-ID is irrelevant, is wrong since you assert, wrongly I might add, "ID has spreading Christianity and changing culture as its mission."

but the fact remains that the logic was solid, it was not a fallacy.

Nope. Still a fallacy.

I haven't found one of the top-rung ID proponents who doesn't have some connection to the Discovery Institute

Yeah?, and Bush has definite connections to "Big Oil". So what? But you clearly indicate that I am right, you do equate ID and DI. They are not, no more than NCSE is equal to Darwinism.

504 posted on 04/29/2008 6:05:49 AM PDT by AndrewC (You should go see "Expelled")
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To: AndrewC
The second part of that statement is false about ID. It may be true about Discovery, but I pointed out that ID and Discovery are not synonymous.

Let me put it this way: We wouldn't be having this talk right now if not for the Discovery Institute.

First, Darwinians, claim that ID is creationism.

No, they claim rightfully that ID is creationism modified to try to get into school curriculum as science. Just slapping the word "Science" after the word "Creation" didn't work, so they needed a new tactic, and that tactic is outlined in the Wedge Document.

IDers have been trying to distance themselves from the top-secret Wedge Document since it was leaked. I see you continue this.

As far as the idea of a guiding creator, that has been around a long time. But active work on "Intelligent Design" as supposedly a science in opposition to natural selection with the plan of replacing evolution began in the 80s with the DI people.

However, I should be more specific. The DI itself, as a whole, is not the founder of and main vehicle for the modern ID movement. They do their main ID push and funding through their Center for Science and Culture, run by the founders of the modern ID movement. Although the CSC is the biggest and most important part of the DI, the DI also does other work, most of which I agree with.

518 posted on 04/29/2008 7:09:22 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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