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To: antiRepublicrat
The Wedge Document. It states all the way through a clear religious purpose.

Many hospitals have a clear religious purpose, yet that does not make them or the medicine in them religion.

Muslims aren't trying to get ID in schools as science.

Oh?

Under God or Under Darwin?
Intelligent Design could be a bridge between civilizations.

By Mustafa Akyol

A Discovery Zone

That's why something called the Wedge Document — although horrifying to America's secularist intelligentsia — offers a message of hope for Muslims. The Wedge Document is a 1999 memorandum of the Discovery Institute (DI), the Seattle-based think tank that acts as the main proponent of ID. In this document, the Institute explains that its long-term goal is "to defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural, and political legacies." Much of the fuss made about the Document by its opponents is absurd; it does not propose the transformation of the U.S. into a theocracy. But, as official DI documents point out, there is nothing wrong in expecting cultural impact from a scientific theory; Darwinians, after all, revel in the cultural impact of their own doctrines.

Most Christians are able to separate their personal religious belief from science. Others apparently think their belief should take the place of science.

Which makes Christians distinct from ID'ers by your definitions(Since not all ID'ers are Christians and not all Christians are ID'ers). Therefore your step 3 does not apply to ID'ers.

It has been clearly equated by the founders and leaders of the ID movement in this country.

The Muslim I quoted above doesn't think so.

One of your problems is that you are equating the Discovery Institute with ID. They are not. No more than NCSE is Darwinism.

492 posted on 04/28/2008 7:35:18 PM PDT by AndrewC (You should go see "Expelled")
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To: AndrewC
Many hospitals have a clear religious purpose, yet that does not make them or the medicine in them religion.

Hospitals have helping people as their mission. ID has spreading Christianity and changing culture as its mission.

And it looks like Muslims are riding on the coattails of the Christian ID work.

Which makes Christians distinct from ID'ers by your definitions(Since not all ID'ers are Christians and not all Christians are ID'ers).

The ID movement in this country was started by Christians for Christian purposes. That all Christians aren't in it, or that others believe too is absolutely irrelevant.

You can argue opinion over this, but the fact remains that the logic was solid, it was not a fallacy.

One of your problems is that you are equating the Discovery Institute with ID.

The Discovery Institute founded the ID movement in this country, set its strategies and provides funding. "Teach the Controversy" and the idea of evolution as a theory in crisis and dissent is their invention. I haven't found one of the top-rung ID proponents who doesn't have some connection to the Discovery Institute (Behe, Dembski, Berlinski and Gonzalez from the movie are actually fellows).

498 posted on 04/29/2008 5:30:54 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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