Posted on 04/21/2008 6:19:21 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
Texas Case: **TEXAS Case: 142 children gave birth!** 63 were raped!
Of course, that is not at the FLDS ranch. That was within the Texas Foster Care system in 2004.
"In 2004, noted Strayhorn, 38 foster children were killed; 48 were killed the following year. In addition, "about 100 children received treatment for poisoning from medications; 63 foster children received medical treatment for rape that occurred while in the foster care system; and 142 children gave birth while in the state foster care system."
hat tip:William N. Grigg http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2008/04/collectivist-child-abuse.html
Hundreds of children and scores of mothers have been separated from each other for two weeks and no end is in sight. The State of Texas is exceeding its authority and we have seen little proof of more than a few child mothers. Even under age mothers should be with their natural children as long as the adult man who is the father is restricted from abusive contact.
Its time for writs of habeas corpus, ‘the fundamental instrument for safeguarding individual freedom against arbitrary and lawless state action.’ Harris v. Nelson, 394 U.S. 286, 290-91 (1969).
Actually, in this country, children have the right not to be married and have sex with adult men. It appears that TX is trying to enforce this law.
susie
It’s not about the polygamy...it’s about the underage girls being forced into sex/spiritual marriage with adult men.
susie
Can you suggest a better way the state could have handled this?
susie
The difference between Wright and the FLDS is the difference between BELIEF and PRACTICE.
Wright’s hideous and well-documented ugliness has not resulted in any law breaking. They aren’t kidnapping whitey, torturing whitey, killing whitey, whatever. They may extol it and promote it, but they aren’t doing it.
Whereas, the FLDS’ hideous and well-documented ugliness regarding the nuptials of adolescent and even pre-pubescent girls, the physical abuse of kids, and the abandonment of male children, is actually being done. Or so it is alleged, and there seems to be plenty of evidence for prosecution.
They have to defend it because it is preached in their LDS temples. Let’s face it. If the Mormons could have their way, they would live under the Book of Mormon, without the constraints of the US government.
**Perhaps they’re just not interested.**
Oh, they are interested. You can bet they are watching every FLDS thread, just as I often read threads without posting on them.
Not necessarily. Some people do have other interests and other demands on their time.
At any rate it would be foolish to presume that because certain LDS posters are not commenting on FLDS threads, then they are de facto supporters of the polygamists.
Some might be, but you don’t really know if they do not say as much.
I think the age in TX is actually 17.
susie
Where do you get this stuff? Did your preacher tell you this one sunny Sunday morning?
finally a post directed to me and now i am so tired i cannot think straight...we will probably be on the same threads tomorrow anyway,,goodnite all
Sleep well. I should go to bed too...
susie
No.
It’s logical.
If you believe the Book of Mormon and what it preaches, wouldn’t you want to live under the “law” and the life as described in that book?
If not, are then you would have to ask yourself if you are a Mormon.
Because I am a Christian, I read the Holy Bible, agree with its law and the life it describes, and I strive to live under that law and live that life as close as humanly possible. This is part of my walk with Christ. To NOT do this, would mean I am not a Christian.
So, you want to get rid of the Constitution and have the Holy Bible as the only law?
If they lived under the BM they would not commit polygamy since the BM expressly condemns it. But then, the author of that book couldn’t remember from one week to the next what he had fabricated and conveniently ignored what he had fabricated in order to get his sexual lusts fulfilled. When his wife called him out on it, he fabricated a threat from god to haul her into line. It didn’t really work though, she stayed in IL with the land deeds and Joseph Smith ‘Translation’ of the King James Bible (into King James English) when the adulterous peepstone false prophet was out of her hair and mormon heirarchy went West.
“The children may know who their real parents are... but that may not be the ‘mother’ and ‘father’ they are living with.”
There are several possibilities, and I know at times kids and mothers were moved from one location to another. I just think the notion several had last night that few if any of the kids knew who their parents were was just assuming the worst with no real basis for it.
And I do believe it makes perfect sense for the kids to be taught not to tell outsiders who their parents are. The polygamists must know they could be investigated at any time, and if enough kids told who their parents are, they would have provided evidence of the polygamous families.
And even though most everyone knows they are polygamists, evidence still has to be gathered to prove it. I think that’s why those kids played dumb, or gave confusing answers to the authorities in Texas, not because the didn’t know who their parents are.
the children would not face immediate sexual or physical harm if returned to their parents.
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Which parents and in which complex in what states? Do we know if some of the children are even with their biological parents now? Some have no birth certificates, some can’t or won’t say who their parents are. Some mothers may be covering for other mothers who may be too young to claim their child fearing being found out as being too young.
Let’s wait for the DNA results. I think a great deal more is going to come out after the DNA results are scrutinized.
Go back and re-read the post.
If you are living the life under your religion, and following its law, the law of the state does not stand above it.
I am subject to the laws of America and I live under the rule of the the US Constitution, thankfully.
But, my life as a Christian rises above my life as an American.
I am both at the same time, I easily give to Caesar that which is his, as commanded by Christ.
And yet, if my faith in Christ could relieve me from one or two cumbersome laws in the US, I would rejoice. If the fabric of America was altered through my faith in Christ and that of of other Christians, then my life would be enriched. You could start with abortion, heavy taxation, the Dept. of Education... any of those. If they were thwarted through the power of Christ, then I could more fully live my life as a Christian.
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