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$24,000,000,000.00 (That's Billion) Sent "Home" To Mexico
Red State ^ | April 19, 2008

Posted on 04/19/2008 5:12:20 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

In 2007, "remittances," money sent back by Mexican workers to families in Mexico, beat out tourism as the second largest source of foreign money into the country. Only oil exports accounted for more.

That is $24 billion that was taken out of the American economy. It was not spent in American stores. Best Buy sold fewer televisions. Ford sold fewer cars and trucks. Winn Dixie and Safeway sold fewer groceries. U.S. Steel sold less steel. And yes, even Exxon/Mobil sold less gasoline than it could have. Those fewer sales curtailed the growth of jobs for Americans in those companies. It was taken completely out of our economy.

Most of this $24 billion was earned by illegals. That is not my statistic, it comes from the Mexican Government. According to the Washington Post.

Still, an estimated 400,000 to 650,000 Mexicans -- three-quarters of whom are undocumented -- cross the border each year to look for work in the United States, according to Mexican government estimates.

And it has really helped out down in ol' Mexico.

The money has transformed the landscape of many small towns, paying for new houses and new kitchens, cars and childcare, medical care and clothes.

So we know they paid the mortgages in Mexico. What about all the Mexicans in America that are having their homes foreclosed on in record numbers? How many mortgage payments were sent to Mexico instead of to American mortgage companies? How many American neighborhoods could have kept up their property values if not for so many of these foreclosures?

So not only did the money not stay in the United States, it was earned without paying federal or state income taxes, Social Security taxes, or Medicare taxes.

(Excerpt) Read more at redstate.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Mexico
KEYWORDS: 2007review; aliens; democratparty; dollars; economy; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; mexico; openborders; remittance
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To: txroadkill

Don’t have a link. I have Sowell’s books, and I guess you could google Williams on the subject.


21 posted on 04/19/2008 5:41:07 PM PDT by ProfessorGage
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To: Clintonfatigued

This certainly should be figured into our balance of trade deficit. We are also stuck with paying billions in tax dollars for the education, medication, and incarceration of illegals every year. Talk about a losing deal all the way around.


22 posted on 04/19/2008 5:44:45 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: AZLiberty
Also if it wasn't a rule of law issue, then the easiest solution (which fixes most of the "don't pay taxes, taxpayers cover their expenses" etc arguments) is to legalize all of them. Lift the cap on immigration and those problems disappear.

I don't believe for a moment that legalized illegals would all start paying taxes all of a sudden. Or that their employers would start paying them legally, taking taxes, health care, and SS out of their pay. The financial benefit to both aforementioned parties would disappear.

We may as well make all sorts of other crimes legal - then our jails and courts wouldn't be overcrowded. There - another simplistic solution that ignores the rule of law, morality, and public will.
23 posted on 04/19/2008 5:45:00 PM PDT by CottonBall (A minority is powerless while it conforms to the majority. "Civil Disobedience", Henry D.Thoreau)
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To: CottonBall
As the Red State commenter pointed out, this money was earned by creating greater value for the person who gave it to the Mexican who then sent it back to Mexico. The U.S. economy gained from those transactions.

But if, as is likely, we stupidly subsidized these transactions by giving free medical care to the Mexican earner, then we could have a net loss -- but not because he sent his earned money home to Mexico.

24 posted on 04/19/2008 5:46:37 PM PDT by AZLiberty (Wipe the national hard drive and reinstall the Constitution.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says

When you start digging into the numbers the only ones that can be sourced with the feds are the number of American murdered in 2005: 16692
I have seen federal numbers for illegals held in jail ranging from 19.3% to 27% of the federal prison population.

Here's a sampling of USA cities wanted for murder. What you'll see is that in big USA cities like LA or NYC most of the murderers are Hispanic. Unknown are the % of illegals. In smaller cities the FBI will post the nationalities of the murderers. About 25% of the most wanted are illegals wanted for murder. This number agrees with the percentage of illegals incarcerated in federal prisons. +-25%

Pictures of top 10 most wanted in LA. Up until recent stories about crime in LA posted by the LA Times--the pictures included the nationality of the murderers. They were all foreign nationals and mostly Mexican.

Wanted for Murder in New York City.

Chicago wanted for Murder


Philadelphia wanted for murder

San Francisco wanted for Murder


New Orleans wanted for Murder

Pictures of suspects wanted for murder in Washington DC

FBI USA 10 most wanted. (two of 10 are Mexican nationals) Around 40% of the FBI's wanted for murder are Mexican Nationals

There are currently no exact numbers on the number of Americans killed by illegals. Part of the reason is that the government deliberately obscures the number. I talked on the phone with the head of statistics for the US Bureau of Prisons. He said his office wasn't allowed to publish the number of illegal alien murderers. Rather they were forced to put legal and non legal residents in the same category. I talked to ICE. They put out detailed numbers on illegal child molestors. However, they put out nothing on illegal murderers.

Part of the reason for the silence on the matter is that there is evidence to suggest that most Americans being killed by illegals are black--as is the suggestion in this LA Times Article. Also this article from the LA Times. And here. This makes intuitive sense. We see stories regularly of drug gang killings in Mexico but we don't see those same stories in the USA. The reason we don't see those stories is not because its not happening. Rather we don't see the stories about illegals killing blacks because that kind of story is terribly politically incorrect. The populations being displaced in downtown sanctuary cities especially are American blacks. That means that their criminal elements would be pushed aside by Mexican gangs as well. That's also the story that the wanted for murder posters in all the major cities seems to suggest.

Nevertheless, the pattern of non reporting is starting to break. Discovery Channel has a series called Gangland that mentions ethnic cleasing of blacks by Mexican gangs

Reported Foreign Nationals on Death Row in the U.S.

To look at other USA cities go here http://stlouis.fbi.gov/ and replace stlouis with the city you want.

All that said the true number of criminal aliens is far higher than is revealed by criminal aliens in prisons. Most are simply waived through the courts.DHS Secretary Chertoff, has been quoted as warning that two million people in this country illegally have committed serious crimes. See also here and here

However the number of illegals on death row is far lower.


25 posted on 04/19/2008 5:46:59 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: AZLiberty

It makes one wonder how we ever survived without illegal immigration.


26 posted on 04/19/2008 5:48:56 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: zip; BOBWADE

ping


27 posted on 04/19/2008 5:53:33 PM PDT by Mrs Zip
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To: ckilmer

To paraphrase open borders advocates, they’re merely committing crimes that Americans won’t commit.


28 posted on 04/19/2008 5:57:19 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Those in the national Republican leadership do the work of three men- Moe, Larry, and Curly.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Now here is money that Congress can tax with my okay.


29 posted on 04/19/2008 5:58:56 PM PDT by redreno
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To: Clintonfatigued

I’m pretty sure the border didn’t magically open under President Bush’s administration. Now granted, his administration has not done much to stem it, but the open border has been around for several administrations.


30 posted on 04/19/2008 6:03:32 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: AZLiberty

To add: Given that the US economy has a size of about $5,000,000,000,000 a year, that’s a blip. Also, even if the money is spent in Mexico, a lot of the goods bought there are made in the US...


31 posted on 04/19/2008 6:05:50 PM PDT by piytar
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To: Clintonfatigued

Ford sold fewer cars and trucks............... really? I see a lot of mexican gardners driving their own brand new Ford trucks around here. Many have nice SUV’s too. Seems that many have taken over the trades, like Electricians, Masonary, Roofing etc. and apparently are doing well enough to afford new vehicles.


32 posted on 04/19/2008 6:05:54 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft ( Clinton/Obama .. Obama/ Clinton ... Mc Cain/Obama .. Mc Cain/Clinton ... What a Choice!? Puleeeze!)
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To: bjs1779

bump


33 posted on 04/19/2008 6:09:17 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Michael Barnes

“but the open border has been around for several administrations.”

Very true. But not only has Bush done nothing about it, but he’s prevented others from trying to stop it.


34 posted on 04/19/2008 6:12:40 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Those in the national Republican leadership do the work of three men- Moe, Larry, and Curly.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

So spending money outside the US is somehow bad? Most Americans do. The Theresa Heinz types and their playtoy men even buy multi-million dollar homes outside the US and..gasp...buy food and other stuff in local stores while there. Add up those dollars flowing out of our country if you want a chance at perspective here. The amount mentioned here is a speck of sand on the beach...the few dollars of minimum wage a sea of poor folks were able to send to Mexico. What did the US get? Hundreds of billions worth of cheap, unorganized labor to help us have cheap produce in our USA stores. If you want to say you’re against cheap illegal labor coming here...at least don’t use silly trumped up perspectives.


35 posted on 04/19/2008 6:15:57 PM PDT by GrinFranklin
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To: Clintonfatigued
Very true. But not only has Bush done nothing about it, but he’s prevented others from trying to stop it.

It seems to me that Bush even encouraged it with some of his comments. That takes it to a new level, for sure.

36 posted on 04/19/2008 6:17:13 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: Bringbackthedraft
Ford sold fewer cars and trucks............... really? I see a lot of mexican gardners driving their own brand new Ford trucks around here. Many have nice SUV’s too. Seems that many have taken over the trades, like Electricians, Masonary, Roofing etc. and apparently are doing well enough to afford new vehicles.

Thats because they don't have the government confiscating half their wages for taxes. This gives them the discretionary income that the rest of us don't have.
37 posted on 04/19/2008 6:25:29 PM PDT by Sig Sauer P220
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To: Dane

Ping!


38 posted on 04/19/2008 6:30:02 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: AZLiberty

The comments on the Red State Page are made by someone who has absolutely no regard whatsoever for the rule of law. He wants a total amnesty. If this is his perspective I wonder how many laws I could break out on his front lawn before he decided that suddenly the rule of law was important again.

Second, his economics are from another planet. I’m all for creating wealth, but when you send a significant portion of that wealth to another country we lose. If these people were citizens most of that money would very likely stay here in the US. Factor in the additional cost of education, healthcare and incarceration and we’re looking at a huge expense rather than a new gain.

Lastly, his idea that this is an excellent form of foreign aid to Mexico incorrectly assumes that we should be giving Mexico nearly 20 times the annual foreign aid we give to any other country on the planet.

He’s an moron.


39 posted on 04/19/2008 6:30:11 PM PDT by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: GrinFranklin
What did the US get? Hundreds of billions worth of cheap, unorganized labor to help us have cheap produce in our USA stores. If you want to say you’re against cheap illegal labor coming here.

It appears that slavery would be fine with you also.

40 posted on 04/19/2008 6:33:16 PM PDT by bjs1779
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