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Models trump measurements -- Part XXIX
National Post ^ | July 07, 2007 | Lawrence Solomon

Posted on 04/19/2008 5:34:50 AM PDT by Delacon

We are doomed, say climate change scientists associated with the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the United Nations body that is organizing most of the climate change research occurring in the world today. Carbon dioxide from man-made sources rises to the atmosphere and then stays there for 50, 100, or even 200 years. This unprecedented buildup of CO2 then traps heat that would otherwise escape our atmosphere, threatening us all.

"This is nonsense," says Tom V. Segalstad, head of the Geological Museum at the University of Oslo and formerly an expert reviewer with the same IPCC. He laments the paucity of geologic knowledge among IPCC scientists -- a knowledge that is central to understanding climate change, in his view, since geologic processes ultimately determine the level of atmospheric CO2.

"The IPCC needs a lesson in geology to avoid making fundamental mistakes," he says. "Most leading geologists, throughout the world, know that the IPCC's view of Earth processes are implausible if not impossible."

Catastrophic theories of climate change depend on carbon dioxide staying in the atmosphere for long periods of time -- otherwise, the CO2 enveloping the globe wouldn't be dense enough to keep the heat in. Until recently, the world of science was near-unanimous that CO2 couldn't stay in the atmosphere for more than about five to 10 years because of the oceans' near-limitless ability to absorb CO2.

"This time period has been established by measurements based on natural carbon-14 and also from readings of carbon-14 from nuclear weapons testing, it has been established by radon-222 measurements, it has been established by measurements of the solubility of atmospheric gases in the oceans, it has been established by comparing the

isotope mass balance, it has been established through other mechanisms, too, and over many decades, and by many scientists in many disciplines," says Prof. Segalstad, whose work has often relied upon such measurements.

Then, with the advent of IPCC-influenced science, the length of time that carbon stays in the atmosphere became controversial. Climate change scientists began creating carbon cycle models to explain what they thought must be an excess of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. These computer models calculated a long life for carbon dioxide.

Amazingly, the hypothetical results from climate models have trumped the real world measurements of carbon dioxide's longevity in the atmosphere. Those who claim that CO2 lasts decades or centuries have no such measurements or other physical evidence to support their claims.

Neither can they demonstrate that the various forms of measurement are erroneous.

"They don't even try," says Prof. Segalstad. "They simply dismiss evidence that is, for all intents and purposes, irrefutable. Instead, they substitute their faith, constructing a kind of science fiction or fantasy world in the process."

In the real world, as measurable by science, CO2 in the atmosphere and in the ocean reach a stable balance when the oceans contain 50 times as much CO2 as the atmosphere. "The IPCC postulates an atmospheric doubling of CO2, meaning that the oceans would need to receive 50 times more CO2 to obtain chemical equilibrium," explains Prof. Segalstad. "This total of 51 times the present amount of carbon in atmospheric CO2 exceeds the known reserves of fossil carbon-- it represents more carbon than exists in all the coal, gas, and oil that we can exploit anywhere in the world."

Also in the real world, Prof. Segalstad's isotope mass balance calculations -- a standard technique in science -- show that if CO2 in the atmosphere had a lifetime of 50 to 200 years, as claimed by IPCC scientists, the atmosphere would necessarily have half of its current CO2 mass. Because this is a nonsensical outcome, the IPCC model postulates that half of the CO2 must be hiding somewhere, in "a missing sink." Many studies have sought this missing sink -- a Holy Grail of climate science research-- without success.

"It is a search for a mythical CO2 sink to explain an immeasurable CO2 lifetime to fit a hypothetical CO2 computer model that purports to show that an impossible amount of fossil fuel burning is heating the atmosphere," Prof. Segalstad concludes.

"It is all a fiction."

Lawrence Solomon is executive director of Urban Renaissance Institute and Consumer Policy Institute, divisions of Energy Probe Research Foundation. www.urban-renaissance.org.

CV of a denier

Prof. Tom V. Segalstad is head of the Geological Museum within the Natural History Museum of the University of Oslo. Formerly, he was head of the Mineralogical-Geologic-al Museum at the University of Oslo, director of the Natural History Museums and Botanical Garden of the University of Oslo, and program chairman for mineralogy/petrology/ geochemistry at the University of Oslo. His research projects include geological mapping in Norway, Svalbard (Arctic), Sweden and Iceland, and have involved geochemistry, volcanology, metallogenesis (how mineral and ore deposits form) and magmatic petrogenesis (how magmatic rocks form). He was an expert reviewer to the UN's Intergovernmental Panel of Climate Change's Third Assessment Report.

LawrenceSolomon@nextcity.com.



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KEYWORDS: alarmists; climatechange; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; skeptics
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Back on 3/24 I rediscovered(hat tip Freeper Libwhacker)  a very overlooked series of articles written by Lawrence Solomon of the National Post that sought to show how there was no "consensus" on global warming. Mr. Solomon didn't have to dig up illuminati believing bloggers, corporate shills or political pundits to do it. He just found some of the most respected scientists in their respective fields of study.  I will be posting the remaining 11 articles over the next few days. Mr. Solomon has just written a book based on the series called The Deniers: The World-Renowned Scientists Who Stood Up Against Global Warming Hysteria, Political Persecution, and Fraud**and those who are too fearful to do so. Freepmail me with a request to join my "the deniers"/global warming ping list if you'd like. Here is the series:

The Post's series on scientists who buck the conventional wisdom on climate science. Here is the series so far:

Statistics needed -- The Deniers Part I
Warming is real -- and has benefits -- The Deniers Part II
The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science -- The Deniers Part III
Polar scientists on thin ice -- The Deniers Part IV
The original denier: into the cold -- The Deniers Part V
The sun moves climate change -- The Deniers Part VI
Will the sun cool us? -- The Deniers Part VII
The limits of predictability -- The Deniers Part VIII
Look to Mars for the truth on global warming -- The Deniers Part IX
Limited role for C02 -- the Deniers Part X


End the chill -- The Deniers Part XI

Clouded research -- The Deniers Part XII
Allegre's second thoughts -- The Deniers XIII
The heat's in the sun -- The Deniers XIV
Unsettled Science -- The Deniers XV
Bitten by the IPCC -- The Deniers XVI
Little ice age is still within us -- The Deniers XVII
Fighting climate 'fluff' -- The Deniers XVIII
 
Science, not politics -- The Deniers XIX
Gore's guru disagreed -- The Deniers XX

The ice-core man -- The Deniers XXI

Some restraint in Rome -- The Deniers XXII
Discounting logic -- The Deniers XXIII
Dire forecasts aren't new -- The Deniers XXIV
They call this a consensus? -- Part XXV
NASA chief Michael Griffin silenced - Part XXVI
Forget warming - beware the new ice age -- Part XXVII
Open mind sees climate clearly -- Part XXVIII
Models trump measurements -- Part XXIX
What global warming, Australian skeptic asks -- Part XXX

In the eye of the storm of global warming -- Part XXXI
From chaos, coherence -- Part XXXII
The aerosol man -- Part XXXIII
The Hot Trend is cool yachts -- Part XXXIV
You still need your parka in Antarctica -- Part XXXV

IPCC too blinkered and corrupt to save -- Part XXXVI
Why melting of ice sheets 'is impossible' -- Part XXXVII
Climate change by Jupiter -- Part XXXVIII

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/pages/climate-change-the-deniers.aspx


1 posted on 04/19/2008 5:34:50 AM PDT by Delacon
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To: Genesis defender; proud_yank; FrPR; enough_idiocy; rdl6989; TenthAmendmentChampion; Horusra; ...

ping


2 posted on 04/19/2008 5:35:20 AM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon

I simply can not for the life of me understand how the alarmists have managed to dupe the real world in the face of all the evidence to the contrary.

This article speaking about CO2 actuality instead of hypothetical, model-driven, estimates is seemingly impossible to refute. It is not the only basis for contrary opinion. Yet, the alarmists propaganda effort seems now to be a juggernaut that will require a 3-4F drop in temperatures over the next two decades in order to reverse public perceptions.


3 posted on 04/19/2008 5:51:45 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Delacon

If everyone would quit breathing we could save the planet.


4 posted on 04/19/2008 5:52:00 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: upier

ping for later


5 posted on 04/19/2008 6:04:18 AM PDT by upier ("Usted no es agradable en America" "Ahora deporte Illegals")
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To: Delacon
"As an American oak tree, I'd like to add my honest two cents to the mix. I like CO2. That's what I eat, OK? That's what all my friends and cousins eat too. We can't get enough of the stuff. That's like saying for humans, there's too much food in the world. Don't go on some greenhouse gas witch hunt on my account. Not in my name. Sincerely, Oak Tree."
6 posted on 04/19/2008 6:08:14 AM PDT by Sender (Stop Islamisation. Defend our freedom.)
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To: Delacon

And here I was thinking this was a thread on Victorias Secret supermodels and their measurements


7 posted on 04/19/2008 6:10:39 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty)
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To: AFPhys
I simply can not for the life of me understand how the alarmists have managed to dupe the real world in the face of all the evidence to the contrary.

It's a similar mechanism to how Socialists have managed to dupe populations into thinking the socialism is workable in the real world in the face of all the evidence to the contrary.

It hinges on the self interest of the parties involved

If "Global Warming" is real, then that translates into lots of research grants into its study, and lots of research grants into how to reduce it. It translates into vastly increased government power (in order to regulate it), thus increasing the power of government officials. It translates into vastly increased power of the UN, which is why UN bureaucrats are so much for it. It gives news reporters something to talk about on slow news days.

Lots of people benefit from the idea of it being a problem

8 posted on 04/19/2008 6:18:03 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty)
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To: SauronOfMordor

“Lots of people benefit from the idea of it being a problem”

You left out one key player. Big Business. There is a lot of money to be made by business selling snake oil that will heal our supposed global warming malady.


9 posted on 04/19/2008 6:35:10 AM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon

I find “Trump Models Measurements” more interesting.


10 posted on 04/19/2008 6:44:17 AM PDT by reg45
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To: SauronOfMordor

> And here I was thinking this was a thread on Victorias Secret supermodels and their measurements <

Or,

Trump’s Models’ Measurements:

Statistics for Miss USA Contestants


11 posted on 04/19/2008 6:45:09 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: SauronOfMordor

Woo, check out those CO2 sinks!


12 posted on 04/19/2008 7:46:24 AM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: SauronOfMordor
And here I was thinking this was a thread on...

You and me both


13 posted on 04/19/2008 7:55:22 AM PDT by tomkat (TWA in PA)
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To: Sender

“As an American oak tree, I’d like to add my honest two cents to the mix. I like CO2. That’s what I eat, OK? That’s what all my friends and cousins eat too. We can’t get enough of the stuff.

Hey Oak Tree. I’m breathing as fast as I can to make more CO2 for you. When you get nice and big I make you into some nice furniture for my house. I appreciate that you are growing faster with these higher CO2 levels, of course that pulls CO2 out of the atmosphere at a higher rate.


14 posted on 04/19/2008 8:03:56 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (It's too bad I've already promised myself to never vote for McCain.)
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To: AFPhys
I simply can not for the life of me understand how the alarmists have managed to dupe the real world in the face of all the evidence to the contrary.

Public Schools.

15 posted on 04/19/2008 8:46:20 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Delacon

Wow, that would seem to be the final nail in the coffin. Reasonable people would expect CO2 to affect the climate. But only the insane would continue to believe this after all the data now coming in.


16 posted on 04/19/2008 9:16:39 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: Delacon

Donald Trump and fiance Slovenian model Melania Knauss. Don't know her measurements.

17 posted on 04/19/2008 9:27:37 AM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: Delacon

“...if CO2 in the atmosphere had a lifetime of 50 to 200 years, as claimed by IPCC scientists, the atmosphere would necessarily have half of its current CO2 mass.”

I don’t understand this part. If CO2 stayed in the atmosphere longer, shouldn’t there be more of the stuff there?


18 posted on 04/19/2008 10:44:18 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie

“I don’t understand this part. If CO2 stayed in the atmosphere longer, shouldn’t there be more of the stuff there?”

I had trouble with that statement as well. My guess is that if CO2 DID indeed have a 50-200 year lifetime, then based on estimates of output to date, there would have to be a lot more of it out there in the atomosphere than there is. This ties into the articles coverage of the IPCC scientists and those that buy into the theory that there has to be some undiscovered CO2 sink pits out there to account for the missing CO2.


19 posted on 04/19/2008 11:36:06 AM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Ahh, here is the explaination:
“Catastrophic theories of climate change depend on carbon dioxide staying in the atmosphere for long periods of time — otherwise, the CO2 enveloping the globe wouldn’t be dense enough to keep the heat in. Until recently, the world of science was near-unanimous that CO2 couldn’t stay in the atmosphere for more than about five to 10 years because of the oceans’ near-limitless ability to absorb CO2.”

In otherwords, CO2s mass(density) affects its ability to be absorbed by the oceans and the facts just don’t fit with their theories.


20 posted on 04/19/2008 11:49:04 AM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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