Posted on 04/18/2008 6:30:59 PM PDT by granite
SAN ANGELO, Texas -- More than 400 children taken from a ranch run by a polygamous sect will stay in state custody and be subject to genetic testing, a judge ruled Friday. State District Judge Barbara Walther heard 21 hours of testimony over two days before ruling that the children be kept by the state. Individual hearings will be set for the children over the next several weeks. She ordered that all children and parents be given genetic testing. Child welfare officials have said they've had difficulty determining how the children and parents are related because of evasive or changing answers.
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Apologies for the delay. I needed some zzzzs.
Thank you.. I actually read an article where some of the lawyers were using the fact that the children were taught obedience to God as evidence of “authoritarianism” and this was troubling to them.. wake up people! It’s just a matter of time before the state decides they don’t like your religion or the things you teach your children.. so many conservatives are living in that slowly simmering pot, chanting to themselves.. “it isn’t me this time.. that will never happen to me”.. if teaching obedience to God troubles the state.. we who believe in God are all in trouble.
“I heard that almost all the female children are pregnant. Mundo bizarro. “
No, what’s “mundo bizarro” is that you believe everything you read from whatever source it comes from.. this is how lies are spread and false rumours are started... there is no evidence that “almost all the female children are pregnant”.. you are part of the problem..
I guess that will be determined by DNA tests.
The women are being evasive in answering questions about what has been going on and arouse great suspicion in my mind. There is also talk that children are shuffled around in their early years and have their real names and birthdays changed so that records no longer match.
As for boys, they are shipped out of the commune at a young age so that they are not competition for the affections of the young girls so it is unlikely any get a chance to impregnate the girls.
There is a book written by a woman who managed to escape one Warren Jeffs' other compounds with her EIGHT children that reveals the workings of the regime inside.
Cordially,
Maybe I missed it, but could you point me to page in the affidavits where it is alleged that "teens" spoke to the social workers about the circumstances of their pregnancies? If I'm not mistaken, and I could very well be, the CPS guestimate of the age of some of the pregnant females was by appearance only, which is how I interpreted the the word, "apparently".
Cordially,
Or they are true conservatives, who care about peoples’ rights and this great republic, where once-upon-a-time, we believed in “innocent until proven guilty” even in heinous cases.
If you want to throw all those things out the window and remold this nation into a place of kangaroo courts (or heck, “why have trials at all, if the crime is so heinous!?”), then you’ll have to do it over my objection.
Instead, I’d rather the America-haters who cheer the trampling of the Constitution to just go to Russia and help bring back the USSR, where they’d feel much more at home.
Do you honestly believe that Obama, the DU crowd, etc., do not see Christian homeschoolers as somewhat similar to this group? Or that they might refrain—out of the goodness of their warm hearts—from using the power of office from going after groups they don’t like?
Don’t recall the 90s, eh?
I wonder where all the cheering will be when the armored personnel carriers are coming in to stop Baptists from “brainwashing” their children that homosexuality is a sin, or to rescue Catholic children from being taught that abortion isn’t something that’s just a mother’s choice.
OF COURSE those things are different from brainwashing girls into these “sealings” at menarche, but if you want the authorities to enforce societal norms, then that’s what you’ll get.
...so I respectfully propose that we have the authorities enforce the law, and in doing so, they follow the long-held procedures that protect rights.
Yes, and I wonder if someone has checked her phone records during the time of the calls to the womens' shelter. Her book sales have been brisk with this raid and she's not doing the circuit.
(Do I believe it was actually her phoning in the supposed calls? Not likely...but it could very well have been a setup.
Which sadly more than one person here seems to support for one bogus reason are the other.
It's quite apparent they are complicit in whatever is happening inside thew ranch.
You are sick to see humor in Nazi Germany’s rise to power and misuse of authority.
In 2003 and 2004, Jeffs *plucked* girls younger than 6 yrs old to bring to Texas without their parents.
“Over age 6, they were too *contaminated from the world to be any use to God”
“He picked the one that would be the most obedient, the ones that would be *qualified* to go to Zion”
Former sect member, Isaac Wyler
Apparently Jeffs made a mistake or 2 in his choices.
To my knowledge, not a single FReeper is a polygamist. To my knowledge, not a single one of the founders of this great republic was a polygamist.
It seems that the common points we share are that we're wise (only a fool would want more than one wife! ;-) and we believe that protecting Americans' rights is an ongoing responsibility, and that the use of authority must be constantly under watch to prevent abuse, even when we believe crimes have been committed.
But I also would submit that polygamy is not the main problem. The problem is sex with underage victims.
No, no, you don’t go far enough.
This woman who said she escaped with her eight children may be fictitious. Or her story may be fictitious. Which would mean her book is fiction, and not her personal account of a forced life inside this group.
To say she might be making fictitious phone calls in order to sell her book is too weak, too mild.
If your going to suggest scurrilous accusation by all means go back to the heart of the matter, my good man!!
Free Warren Jeffs!
How can you let a possibly innocent man sit in jail when you suspect the cult that operates under him and his close henchmen might be being unfairly railroaded by this possible phony woman with the possibly phony story about her life and escape from the cult with her eight children??
One of the women from the Eldorado group told Fox and Friends, when they asked her how many, THAT SHE HAS 12 CHILDREN.
But that cannot possibly have anything to do with the suspicious woman who escaped from the cult with her 8 children, or the other woman who escaped (there are two...one without a book to sell) who say that little girls are taught that they must have sex with a man and have a baby every year once they “begin to bleed”.
Nothing to investigate here.
(AP Photo/Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints; April 3, 2008)
Okay, so an ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIER with guys in black body armor and automatic weapons isn't a SWAT team?!?
And don't be fooled by the county listed on there...they imported this baby for this raid.
Oh, and just to be clear, the photo below is not from this raid.
Huh?
Never did I say there was nothing here. Don’t you try to put words in my mouth!
But I suggested that since we haven’t heard that they even bothered to figure out from where the phone calls came, and we don’t have anyone stepping forward as the caller, and the accused man was in another state, there’s some question about the provenance of the call.
And if the authorities can raid a place based on a call that might have been false, it puts into question he whole raid. Was the warrant air-tight, or are any perps going to walk free because of the overzealousness of the authorities?
Perhaps it’s this latter thing that you want...?
How can they order DNA tests on these kids without permission of the parents? It seems like a catch 22. They are on a fishing expedition, trying to prove that some older men fathered children of young girls.
It’s obvious that these people were prepared for the possibility of a raid after the Arizona cult was put on trial and prepared the children as well. My guess is that the authorities are going to get nothing but trouble out of this raid. It sounds as though they got legal advice in advance and knew how to respond to authorities.
Fox had a clip of a couple of older women making bread. So if you cannot breed you make bread and tend to the ovens. Where are all the young boys???
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