Posted on 04/17/2008 9:34:29 PM PDT by The_Republican
The war in Iraq has become "a major debacle" and the outcome "is in doubt" despite improvements in security from the buildup in U.S. forces, according to a highly critical study published Thursday by the Pentagon's premier military educational institute.
If the Pentagon has issued a report like this during the early stages of WWII would this nation be clamoring to get out of that war? Damning report? Sure, by people who have an agenda that does not include winning this war.
Uh okkkayyyyyy! Hahahahahahaahahaha!
“This report/opinion column does not even take into account effects of “the surge”, and is already out of date.”
The report mentions the surge and in fact praises both it and Petraeus.
Exactly.
I want McCain to finish the job. I do however think that plenty of mistakes were made. Long time ago, right after W won the re-election, I posted here, if those threads can be found, that get rid of Rummy, put more soldiers in and stop the keystone-cop routine. Back then, we would clear them out of one city, and then the evil-doers would settle in another one. We will go their, then the next one.
People back then who just buy whatever the hell Govt. is selling got all upset. You were supposed to leave Rummy alone. He is a freaking genius. Well, eventually even President realized, he has to go. He was lost and he was losing it.
Even now, mark my post and words. This POLITICAL BS of drawing drown SURGE TROOPS is a RETARDED IDEA.
Patreus would NEVER say publicly its a bad idea. But he did say the “gains are reversible”.
You know that as Dems campaign here, Al Qaida will try and od best to campaign for them in Iraq by wreaking havoc. They are probably STAYING LOW knowing full well that drawdown would happen. Then as the campaign gets in gear over hear, they go full throttle over there.
ONCE AGAIN - DO NOT DRAWDOWN TROOPS. Send more if you can. Finish the job.
Disarm Sadr Militia or KILL THEM and disarm Badr Militia (even if its backed by Hakim whose party is Majority party in Iraq and who wanted to take out Sadr).
Unless that happens, there would ONLY be civil war, and we will not have a clean way out.
I am sure parnoid genuiuses would find treason in my post. There paranoia aside, this is what needs to be done.
The article about this report sounds like a beautiful layout for past DNC and liberal talking points about the war.
Are you saying the reporter took the words of Dr. Collins out of context?
Yes it does, immediately followed by, "but...!"
Regardless, there's about six months or more of further progress that was not evident when this report was (essentially) completed. As a matter of fact, I'll take it a step further and submit that that phrase about the surge and Petraeus was begrudgingly added late to this report, after the report was (essentially) completed. Maybe even just in time for this April printing.
I’m in full agreement with everything you said. Mistakes were made, just as mistakes have been made in many of the other wars this country has been in including WWII. I also agree that more, not less troops are needed, especially now while our nation’s Presidential Election is going on. I say, do not only disarm and/or kill the Sadr militia, but take out Mookie too. Anyone who disagrees just doesn’t understand what is at stake.
Ah. I see the problem now. I hadn't realized before that you're merely a putz.
Come back when you want to discuss the issue, princess.
Me too! (Well, both actually—politicized morons.)
Great post!
You know a whole lot about princesses don’t ya? LOL! Hey to each his own. Whatever floats your boat!
It’s too bad...if you had started out with the stuff you wrote to SoldierDad instead of slinging unfounded insults, you might have gotten some agreement. Instead it’s just been The I’m A Putz Show starring The_Republican.
Sad, really. It’s even more sad that you think that an organization headed by Gary Hart and Jean Fraud Kerry are loooking for victory in Iraq. Good luck with that.
I didn’t know who wrote this report. I didn’t know it was an old report. All I saw was that this story was on Yahoo, and JUST POSTED.
So I figured its a NEW report. Second, in the report itself they emphasized the positive credentials of the institute that wrote it. It sounded like an OFFICIAL report.
Based on people’s posts here, its sounds like a Liberal Op-Ed piece. So be it then. Even if its that, its worth discussing.
Some of those problems are real. Peace! Its OK for brothers to fight occassionally! More fun that way!
“As a matter of fact, I’ll take it a step further and submit that that phrase about the surge and Petraeus was begrudgingly added late to this report, after the report was (essentially) completed. Maybe even just in time for this April printing”
Collins writes that he views Iraq as a “must win”. In several sections he mentions planners who advocated a larger occupation force, which is what the surge is. He is critical of Rumsfeld and others who let their optimism guide their planning, or failure to adequately plan.
You can take that “further step”, but I don’t see that you have offered anything other than your own guessing as a reason to do so.
No, you editorialized, and then whined about criticism of your editorial content. You want to editorialize, write a vanity or start a blog.
Sorry, but I don't make "peace" with people who treat me like a paranoid scumbag because I love my country and still wish to defend her over a decade after hanging up the uniform for the last time. When you grow up enough to admit you were out of line, ping me.
The report is online for free:
http://www.ndu.edu/inss/Occasional_Papers/OP5.pdf
Read it yourself and you won’t need the reporter’s filter.
But keep in mind that then you’ll actually have read what Collins wrote. Which may be a severe handicap on this thread, as that will limit the ability to make wild-ass claims about what is in it.
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“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” - William Arthur Ward
If Collins was merely a pessimist, that would be one thing. But given his (along with most of the rest of the panel’s) association with the party of appeasement and Euro-socialism my guess is that this “report” is little more than a political document designed to further the interests of the Democrats in an election year.
Just a wild guess.
I find nothing in credible sources to support the notion that the WMD threat was concocted by U.S government officials and then sold to a gullible public,
Interesting read. Wonder why this didn't make the reporters story.
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