Pentagon institute calls Iraq war 'a major debacle' with outcome 'in doubt'

McClatchy Newspapers ^ | April 17th, 2008 | Jonathan S. Landay and John Walcott

[The_Republican]

The war in Iraq has become "a major debacle" and the outcome "is in doubt" despite improvements in security from the buildup in U.S. forces, according to a highly critical study published Thursday by the Pentagon's premier military educational institute.

[Pelham]

“Joseph Collins (Sycophant Democratic Holdover from the Clinton I Adm.) “

Where do you get that from? Collins bio on the paper in question says he is a retired US Army colonel, and that he has been a professor at the War College since 2004. Clinton was still giving out jobs in 2004?

http://www.ndu.edu/inss/Occasional_Papers/OP5.pdf

[VeniVidiVici]

Well, since Collins was recently the deputy assistant secretary of defense for stability operations, I guess he’d know if he eff’d it up or not.

[Pelham]

Here’s the report online:

http://www.ndu.edu/inss/Occasional_Papers/OP5.pdf

[VeniVidiVici]

Collins retired in ‘98. Perhaps our poster is familiar with something that we’re not.

[NurdlyPeon]

Ya, we should have just done nothing. 40,000,000 people still living under a pair of brutal dictatorships, not our problem. Israel probably destroyed, not our problem. Saddam Hussein still in power, probably with nuclear weapons, not our problem. Massive destabilization of an area that produces 70% of the worlds oil supply, hey, not our problem either. More terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, well, as long as they killed less than 4,000 people, then we're still ahead. After all, we've lost almost 4000 soldiers, a staggering amount considering the minuscule number of casualties that we had during the civil war, world war I, world war II, Korean, and Viet Nam. It's a quagmire I tell you, a quagmire. We should pull out now. There's still time to reverse this thing and get things back to the way they were. Beside, we've got a lot more important things to worrry about, like global warming.

[Pelham]

His boss at the Pentagon was Douglas Feith.

[SolidWood]

So? Powell’s and Tenet’s boss was Bush. What does this tell us?

[Mr. Silverback]

Agreed.

[MadMax, the Grinning Reaper]

“never believe any war will be smooth and easy”

Try telling that to the Israels in the “100 hour war” of 1967.

Most wars are lousy and costly but once in a while, the good guys win one with, thankfully, small losses.

Oh, didn’t we do that in 1991 in Kuwait?

Clinton-holderovers are as much a threat to the US as is Al Qaeda.

[High Nooner]

“Had this “report” said that the surge was working and the U.S.A. was winning, the “media” would have treated it as though it didn’t even exist.”

They *are* treating it as though it didn’t even exist:

http://news.google.com/news?q=pentagon+Iraq+war+%22major+debacle%22+outcome+%22National+Defense+University%22&hl=en&filter=0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn

[High Nooner]

“Uh huh. A McClatchy spin on a report written last fall. I’ll pass, thanks.”

Nope... released April 2008:

http://www.ndu.edu/inss/Occasional_Papers/OP5.pdf

[Lancey Howard]

Your edits tell the tale.

Precisely. And when you pointed that out, all "The_Republican" could do in defense was direct you to "click and go read the whole article". Well, I clicked and read the whole article but saw nothing but a McClatchy spin on an old report, and none of those bolds, font enlargements, and red-colored highlights that "The_Republican" saw fit to add for emphasis.

Like you said Mr. Silverback, the "edits tell the tale".

[The_Republican]

Thanks for the link!

[Mr. Silverback]

Where does the paranoia come in? I didn't accuse anyone of some conspiracy, I commented on what was there and stand by those comments.

Your snarky comment was content free. That seems telling to me. Am I wrong?

[april15Bendovr]

“The addition of 30,000 U.S. troops to Iraq last year to halt the country's descent into all-out civil war has improved security, but not enough to ensure that the country emerges as a stable democracy at peace with its neighbors, the report said.”

This is a Fu*king pathetic Wesley Clark piece of crap Clintonista report.

This sounds like another A-hole cheerleader for failure emerging to be a hero of the left.

Just like the drive by media to produce junk to satisfy useful idiots that love appeasing radical Islam.

How about if Dr. Joseph Collins rephrase the stupid statment to be more accurate and report that Syria and Iran are terrorizing its neighbor Iraq so it could never have peace.

Why doesn't he talk to his friends at NDU about the ignorance of the Iraq Study Group, Senate Select Intelligence Committee and 911 Commissions incompetence to connect the dots between Saddam and Al Qaeda.

This is Junk.

The media needs to stop giving our troops bad gloomy one sided news when they happen to be fighting a noble war.

[Billthedrill]

Written last fall. Check the link.

[Billthedrill]

I see you just joined us for this very thread. Welcome to FR.

[Mr. Silverback]

Welcome to Free Republic. Be advised that if you're going to spend your time here apologizing for defeatist propaganda by groups with boards of directors chock full of liberal morons and at least one known traitor to the Republic (John Francois Kerry) that time will be short, indeed.

See post 9 for why this report isn't worth the paper it was written on. It's latrine grade.

[The_Republican]

Paranoia tells even more tales. Hahahahaahahaha! Pulling an ostritch move and burying your head in the sand never ever helped any cause.

[Mr. Silverback]

Thanks, sir.