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To: ketsu

” You’re the one conflating the electricity experiments(which successfully generated amino acids) and prebiotic protein evolution. “

No one is as naive as that? Miller/Urey, Using purified water/dumping in ampicillin/super heating to80C/centrifuging/adding reagents/SEEDING/non-conclusive “potentials for sequentional evolution” ! ?

LOL

Of all the possible bonds of AA`s ,all have to form peptide bonds,the natural thing is for the reverse to take place(Sarfati, J.D., 1998. Origin of life: the polymerization problem).THEN,the P must contain only LH AA`s and exclude RH AA`s making it a 50/50 chance .Then it must be in the correct sequence.Now add to that the fact that one cell requires 75 “helper molecules”,working together to make one protein(rgroup) as told by one dna base,translated by enzymes with special slots holding other modules,each one having 5 slots,,2 chem,2 nonchem,one atp.The cell needs 20,one for each R-group/code name (amino acid/tRNA).The whole set is USELESS without ribosomes to crack the code into three-letter code ,USELESS without constant atp and would VANISH if translases wore out,but actually renew.

Cassette mutagenesis experiments suggest that the probability of attaining (at random) the correct sequencing for a short protein 100 amino acids long is about 1 in 10 to the 65 power.

Just walk away junoir.


66 posted on 04/17/2008 6:08:22 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Para-Ord.45
No one is as naive as that? Miller/Urey, Using purified water/dumping in ampicillin/super heating to80C/centrifuging/adding reagents/SEEDING/non-conclusive “potentials for sequentional evolution” ! ?

LOL

Of all the possible bonds of AA`s ,all have to form peptide bonds,the natural thing is for the reverse to take place(Sarfati, J.D., 1998. Origin of life: the polymerization problem).THEN,the P must contain only LH AA`s and exclude RH AA`s making it a 50/50 chance .Then it must be in the correct sequence.Now add to that the fact that one cell requires 75 “helper molecules”,working together to make one protein(rgroup) as told by one dna base,translated by enzymes with special slots holding other modules,each one having 5 slots,,2 chem,2 nonchem,one atp.The cell needs 20,one for each R-group/code name (amino acid/tRNA).The whole set is USELESS without ribosomes to crack the code into three-letter code ,USELESS without constant atp and would VANISH if translases wore out,but actually renew.

Cassette mutagenesis experiments suggest that the probability of attaining (at random) the correct sequencing for a short protein 100 amino acids long is about 1 in 10 to the 65 power.

Just walk away junoir.

Uuuuuuuuuuum... you realize we're talking about *your* assertion that evolutionists believe that fully formed proteins come from lightning. So you agree you were lying/ignorant? The above spew is beside the point, other than showing that you were either a. completely dishonest or b. ignorant and googled some information on the subject.
74 posted on 04/17/2008 6:19:17 PM PDT by ketsu
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To: Para-Ord.45

Makes you wonder if the first archeologists that found writing on stone tablets in Egypt thought

“hey, look how these markings self formed on this stone!”

You’d have to be equally ignorant to look at the genome and think that it formed at random with selective pressure.


109 posted on 04/17/2008 6:54:00 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Para-Ord.45; ketsu
Just walk away junoir.

Interesting especially in the context of this discussion, because the purpose of those words is very much like an ape trying to express dominance by standing up, beating his chest, and looking fierce. He feels the need to do so .. it is part of his apeness!

189 posted on 04/17/2008 11:41:16 PM PDT by Finny (Democrats play Big Mommies. Liberal Republicans play Big Daddies. Conservatives are the adults.)
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