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To: RinaseaofDs
I also believe Lucifer actively works against us finding Christ. Lucifer actively working to subvert the will of God makes sense to me.

Of course that's another MONSTER SIZE problem, how/why Lucifer and his minions would be doing anything, when a man's fate is sealed and they haave no say or free will to choose. You'd think Lucifer and his crew would sit back and relax, knowing that those men who are not elected are going to hell, and no effect is required to help them get there.

293 posted on 04/23/2008 3:16:06 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited; RinaseaofDs
I also believe Lucifer actively works against us finding Christ. Lucifer actively working to subvert the will of God makes sense to me.

Jesus sent Lucifer falling from heaven. This viewpoint makes Lucifer into a god with more power than Christ or God. It is a ludicrous belief for a professing Christian to hold.

296 posted on 04/23/2008 3:27:14 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: AmericaUnited

“Of course that’s another MONSTER SIZE problem, how/why Lucifer and his minions would be doing anything, when a man’s fate is sealed and they haave no say or free will to choose. You’d think Lucifer and his crew would sit back and relax, knowing that those men who are not elected are going to hell, and no effect is required to help them get there.”

Bingo. You know the funny thing about battle? They are so bad, so all consuming, that even when you are in one, you’ll deny it. War is depressing, and we are in one, probably more than one.

Most modern religion turns faith in God into something akin to golf - keep practicing and you’ll get it right.

First time you lose a son to something senseless, who’d the first guy in line for blame - God. Not Lucifer, God.

You go back to your priest, and instead of discussing what a vile filth scumbag coward worm Satan is, we’re asking God, “Why”. Nobody wants to talk about the Dragon in the room - that Satan rules earth, and that God’s will is something that only gets done on occasion, and usually through much prayer.

There are things to be learned about God from observing the cowardice of Lucifer and the way he works. He strikes at God through man. I won’t give him the satisfaction, and I pray through Christ Jesus that he spares my lambs and my wife from his clutches.

I’m fine with it - I feel a bit sorry that God had to sacrifice His only Son to save us, but that’s something I’m going to come to understand, I hope, when I die. How did it come to that? From the very foundation of the earth, it came down to the Blood of the Lamb. Why? I accept it from a place of utter unworthiness, but still, why?

The doctrine of Election reduces the life of Mother Theresa to something this side of trite and silly.


297 posted on 04/23/2008 3:29:26 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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