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Since the media is focusing on the Pope's early comments on the plane about the clergy sex scandal, I thought I would put this out there. Go to the link above and read the whole thing. I could only fit in the above for excerpting purposes.

I know his answer won't make everyone on here happy, but it's certainly a starting point for a discussion.

1 posted on 04/15/2008 6:12:29 PM PDT by Pyro7480
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Catholic ping!


2 posted on 04/15/2008 6:13:20 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480
Yeah, the media and its fixation with wickedness.

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I thought the Pope's comment was absolutely as beautiful as it is true as it is refreshing as it is unexpected.

Of course. Wouldn't the solution be that all nations were just? And isn't that a picture of "Thy Kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven?"

Another reason I love being Catholic is...reason.

3 posted on 04/15/2008 6:16:36 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand ( If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you...)
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To: Pyro7480
The fundamental solution [would be] that there is no longer any need to immigrate...

Bingo!

4 posted on 04/15/2008 6:17:27 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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To: Pyro7480
Actually, that shows good sense and is the only real long term solution to the problem.

As long as Mexico is a corrupt, violent hell-hole, people will risk their lives and freedom to get out.

Disincentives to illegally immigrate will help reduce the numbers (and some people will self-deport), but at some balancing point the risks of staying in Mexico will outweigh the risks of illegally immigrating. So there will always be a certain number of illegal immigrants, so long as there is such a strong incentive to get out of Mexico.

5 posted on 04/15/2008 6:17:48 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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It seems to me that we have to distinguish between measures to be taken immediately, and longer-term solutions. The fundamental solution [would be] that there is no longer any need to immigrate, that there are sufficient opportunities for work and a sufficient social fabric that no one any longer feels the need to immigrate. We all have to work for this objective, that social development is sufficient so that citizens are able to contribute to their own future.

Listen to this man AMCHURCH.

HE GETS IT!!!

6 posted on 04/15/2008 6:17:57 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Pyro7480

I have no objection to his comments. For one thing, he makes a point of giving the U.S. credit for being a welcoming nation. This is better than many of the immigrants themselves will give us credit for.

Welcome to America, Holy Father!


8 posted on 04/15/2008 6:18:40 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (God bless you.)
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So, he’s saying Mexico should clean up its own act and start building a country where more people have a say than the 1% who control 95% of the wealth?

A Mexico where they take some of those ever-increasing pertrol dollars they’re earning and actually invest it in their country instead of stealing it, using it for bribes, payoffs and other shenanigans?

A Mexico that respects the rule of law and agrees that all people are equal under it?

A Mexico that isn’t corrupt, envious of its Northern neighbor, and happy to roll up its sleeves and get busy in its own house instead of exporting problems elsewhere?

Thank you Pope Benedict!


9 posted on 04/15/2008 6:24:02 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Pyro7480
above all the United States must help countries develop themselves

Why? I just wrote a check to the IRS, and frankly, I don't feel an obligation to help an oil-wealthy country get it together so that a majority of their population isn't trying to break our laws to get here, costing me MORE in tax dollars.

10 posted on 04/15/2008 6:27:27 PM PDT by PLK
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To: Pyro7480

Wow, I’m impressed.


11 posted on 04/15/2008 6:28:49 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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In the short term, it’s very important above all to help the families.

The Church is free to do just that. And for the most part they have. At least for those that wanted the help from the Church. Not all Mexicans are Catholic, and in fact there is a significant anti Church sentiment in Mexico.

Our first exchange student from there told our daughter that the order of your weddings (official and church, the state does not recognize church weddings, you have to be married by a state official) makes a political statement. Ana Alejandra and Jorge Fernando, were "married" by some well padded lady from the government in Ana's house before we arrived for the real wedding, which was in a church building built in the 15th Century with the service conducted by the priest who had been assigned to her Church when she was a young child. My daughter spoke for her (as is their tradition), in Spanish. That buxom blue eyed blonde stood out like a sore thumb, but everyone (save me) understood every word she said. The couple did not live together until after the church wedding. You figure out what statement they made (aside from the fact that their mothers would have killed them if they'd done it any differently :) )

14 posted on 04/15/2008 6:39:04 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Pyro7480

BTTT


20 posted on 04/15/2008 7:54:25 PM PDT by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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To: Pyro7480
Yet there’s also a growing “anti-immigrant” movement in America.

There is no “anti-immigrant” movement in America. Most Americans have immigrant ancestors somewhere in the family tree.

There is an "anti-illegal" movement in America since the Rule-of-Law is a core value of American society.

21 posted on 04/15/2008 8:48:37 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Cacique

btt


22 posted on 04/15/2008 8:58:28 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Pyro7480

I think the pope has it. Mexico with all its resources ought to be able to take care of its people. It cannot, because its political culture will not allow development. Wealth in concentrated in the hands of a few thousand families, and these families lack the entrepeneural spirit that grows an economy. Simplistically perhaps, I blame it on the culture that the conquistadors brought to America, which owned much to the Arabs the Spanish Christians displaced.


24 posted on 04/15/2008 9:50:26 PM PDT by RobbyS
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"I’d like to say that I’m going with joy. I’ve been in the United States several times, I know this great country, and I also know the great life of the church despite all the problems. I’m happy to be able to meet in this historical moment, both through the church and my visit to the United Nations, this great country."

34 posted on 04/16/2008 6:27:51 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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