Ping to the latest developments. A massive lawsuit!
Anybody know where this group gets its funding?
I saw one of those “poor” women being interviewed by Anderson Cooper tonight.
Let me say she was crazy, I have no sypathy for her.
She said they were treated like the Germans treated the Jews when they were put in concentration camps.
Refused to answer questions about how many wives her husband had, yada yada.
If this was meant to garner sympathy, she failed miserably.
The O’Reilly Factor reported that there are between 15 and 20 girls pregnant, between the age of 13 and 16.
What they should be doing is removing the men, with restraining orders or whatever it takes, until it is proven they are not guilty of anything, and let the kids go home. It isn’t their fault, they did not ask to be born. It would sure beat what those poor little ones are going through right now. I would hope the men at the very least, qouls go along with that.
This is a situation where the, as always, when adults bring children into a bad situation, it is the children who get hurt. What we continue to allow in this country in regard to children is just plain criminal.
Sounds like one giant welfare scam. More babies equals more money to the breeders and their keepers.
For what it’s worth (and I know you all have been anxiously awaiting my opinion .... you haven’t? You mean no one cares at all what I think? Oh well, here’s what I think anyway)
This is where I get off the train of support for the State’s persecution of the FCJCLDS. OK, there might be a reasonable case to be made that the fathers of these children are abusers. There might be a reasonable case to be made that the girl who made the original call was abused, and needed help. There might be a reasonable case to be made that some SPECIFIC parents who might be part of this sect might not be fit parents. There might even be a reasonable case to be made that some, or perhaps even all, of the parents and children involved need to be monitored and watched (at a place like, say, the San Angelo Coliseum) to prevent future abuse.
But to attempt to strip parental rights wholesale from 139 mothers (and an unknown, to me, number of fathers), without any individual determinations that these mothers and fathers are unfit parents ... words fail to describe the horror of this action. In what world does this wholesale breakup of families even begin to sound reasonable? Does anyone believe that the state has made any kind of individual, case-by-case analysis to indicate that each of those parents are unfit? Rather, it’s pretty obvious, at this point, that the state has simply decreed that mere association with a particular religion, even absent any proven or likely abuse with respect to the vast majority of these children, is enough to sever parental rights.
Whoa.
I’m certainly not arguing that, in cases of actual abuse, that children should be taken from their parents. I am, however, arguing, that, not only has the state not only not proven that these 139 mothers (and associated fathers) are abusers, but that they don’t even seem interested in making the effort to prove that any specific mothers and fathers are abusers. To date, it appears that these parents have already been separated from their children without even being allowed to appear in court. Again: parents have already been separated from their children based only on the parent’s association with a particular religion.
I’m not so sure I can imagine anything much more wicked that the state could do, other than, of course, simply burning to death everyone involved and grinding up the charred corpses under tank treads. Of course, I’m happy that this case hasn’t come to that stage ... yet ... but what has already occurred is still pretty bad.
So, again, I’m off the train of support for the State on this one. Based on the article, they’ve just taken a flying leap beyond the line of what is arguably reasonable and just with respect to the individual rights of the people involved with the FCJCLDS. If this merely ends “badly,” I think it’ll be a miracle. I predict that this is going to wind up having long term negative impacts on our society.
Hey, they can always all flee to Mexico just like Mitt Romney’s Grandparents did!
The call was made from one individual. But normally if a call of abuse is made from a home..all the children are removed, not just the caller. The communal aspect of the living arrangements would justify the removal of all of the children, I suppose.
The “caller” maybe afraid to step forward. Or if she is indeed known, maybe else where for her own protection.
I think any of the mothers that are interviewed would sound like raving lunatics. If the worst case scenario pans out, it is going to be a huge revelation that what they have been taught to believe is ,in fact, a crime. But until that revelation hits, they'll be worried and screaming like banshees for the “outsiders” to give their kids back.
I have deep sympathy for the kids. I have sympathy for the CPS workers. I doubt that most of them get any kick out of removing children from their parents. And,from a purely logistical stand point, removing that many children into an overcrowded system has got to be a nightmare.
I would not care to be a CPS worker, as deeply as these workers are needed. Go in and investigate (darned if you do) or turn a blind eye (darned if you don't).
Since some of these women refuse to tell the authorites which children are blood related to them, I feel no pain if the children are “taken” from them. If the mothers refuse to claim them, why should we care if the state takes them away?!
I am kind of curious about the male to female breakdown of these children. I have heard there are as many as 400 girls? Haven't heard anything about boys except what I quoted above. I understand that these perverts dump the adolescent boys out on the street, but what happens to the young males?
Here’s the link to the Anderson Cooper interview with the FDLS Woman:
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/15/inside-the-compound-and-face-to-face-with-polygamy/