Mothers of Sect Children Forced to Leave

Google News ^ | 14 April 2008 | By JENNIFER DOBNER and MICHAEL GRACZYK

[metmom]

I have zero sympathy for these pedophiles, but a horrible precedent is being set here.

Precedent isn't being set, it's being followed.

What the CPS is doing here is very typical for social services except for the scale.

All it takes for this to be you is an anonymous tip on a hotline from ANYONE at all. Not even a cry for help from someone who says it's happening to herself. Someone can pick your name out of the phone book. You will never know who did it for two reasons; one is the anonymity, and the other is, even if social services knows, they won't tell you.

When they get a tip, they HAVE to investigate. It doesn't matter if it's anonymous or not and if there's anything more that a vague accusation, like the kids listen to Christian music and eat dry Cheerios. (For real-FR thread on that one).

If you let them in the door, you're toast. If you refuse to co-operate, they'll go to the school your kid attends and interview them there without your knowledge or permission. If they so choose, they will take them from there and put them in foster care and you won't have a clue where they are, because they won't tell you.

What I don't get is why people are so horrified about this and acting like it's the first time any thing like this has ever happened before. It happens all the time.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

Precedent isn't being set, it's being followed.

What the CPS is doing here is very typical for social services except for the scale.

All it takes for this to be you is an anonymous tip on a hotline from ANYONE at all. Not even a cry for help from someone who says it's happening to herself. Someone can pick your name out of the phone book. You will never know who did it for two reasons; one is the anonymity, and the other is, even if social services knows, they won't tell you.

When they get a tip, they HAVE to investigate. It doesn't matter if it's anonymous or not and if there's anything more that a vague accusation, like the kids listen to Christian music and eat dry Cheerios. (For real-FR thread on that one).

If you let them in the door, you're toast. If you refuse to co-operate, they'll go to the school your kid attends and interview them there without your knowledge or permission. If they so choose, they will take them from there and put them in foster care and you won't have a clue where they are, because they won't tell you.

What I don't get is why people are so horrified about this and acting like it's the first time any thing like this has ever happened before. It happens all the time.

Read what you wrote. That is Nazi Germany. That is Stalin's USSR. That is Vietnam's re-education camps. And Waco was Auschwitz.

[metmom]

I know what I wrote. This is what’s happening in the US right now. What rock have you been living under?

[metmom]

So now that you’ve tried to deflect the argument to avoid answering the question.

You claimed that this is all a hoax and fraud.

How do you know?

Sources please?

[G Larry]

If you don’t like this little dose of reality, try reading “Anonymous Tip” by my former classmate Mike Farris.

It’s at least 10 years old.
He wrote it as fiction, but about the only thing he changed from reality were the names.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

What rock have you been living under?

None. I know this is a velvet-gloved Nazi state that has murdered 45 million children while entertaining the masses with spectacles like this. The difference and slight surprise is that you and so many others on THIS forum LOVE IT!

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

You claimed that this is all a hoax and fraud. How do you know? Sources please?

The burden of proof is on the prosecution. Where is the girl who called? Who is she? What did she say? What evidence is there against anyone? When you get past the labels, you have nothing. Nothing is overwhelming evidence against you.

[berdie]

You have a valid point. This will all boil down to the legal aspects of the matter.

As I originally said, I won't condemn anyone until the facts are all out. So if the parents give consent to either a legal or even spiritual contract between their children and another, this could all be within the confines of the law. I looked at some other material that indicated a three year age difference for parental consent to be consideration. That could well be the crux of the matter. I'm not a lawyer..I don't know. (What that says to me is..if a kid falls in love with her 18 year old boyfriend it's different than a kid falling in...whatever..with the 50 year old neighbor).

As far as common law marriage..I don't think you can be married, legally or common to more than one person.

Too bad the laws are written in such mumbo jumbo.

[matthew fuller]

"These fundamentalist mormon cults believe in blood atonement."

For further reading about other fundamentalist mormon cults Google "Ervil LeBaron".

[matthew fuller]

"With a reported 15-20 teens pregnant out of the 416 forcibly removed from their homes in Texas the pregnancy rate for these girls could be stated as 3.6-4.8 percent"

Hey, Old Professor- what exactly were you a professer of? Math? Science? I think that you probably should subtract the male children and pre-pubescent females from your mathematical calculations, and then your 3.6-4.8 percent will be out the window.

[matthew fuller]

"how do you rescue someone who does not want to be rescued?"

How about when the someone is a pregnant unmarried child under 17, and claims the babydaddy is a 50 year old pervert?

[truth_seeker]

“It’s a toss up trying to decide who’s worse; the Muslims or the FLDS?”

If both practice statutory rape of underage females, in that aspect they are equal.

Muslims go several steps further, funding/supporting terrorism.

I’ve yet to hear of FLDS supporting terrorism. No tossup for me.

[KingNo155]

Refused to answer questions about how many wives her husband had, yada yada. Thats a Red Herring question in the same line as when did you stop beating you wife! So JR when did you stop beating your wife? Answer the Question ! If you refuse to answer I must assume you still beat her!

[matthew fuller]

"What I don't get is why people are so horrified about this and acting like it's the first time any thing like this has ever happened before. It happens all the time. "

I sense that many of the people here that sound horrified are in fact either FLDS or LDS.

[Old Professer]

Try reading the whole thread, I was exaggerating to make a point, much the way the media does.

[ansel12]

"Refused to answer questions about how many wives her husband had, yada yada. Thats a Red Herring question in the same line as when did you stop beating you wife!

That doesn't even come close to making sense, I know you were upset when Best Buy found that porn on the school janitor's computer and reported it, but this whole raid is based on the questions, 'How many wives does your husband have, how old were you when you married him, and how old were the girls here when they were assigned to the men'.

[longtermmemmory]

There is the scary part of texas law where apparently the natural mother/father could consent to this and there is a “consent” clause in texas law. (I know it is very scary)

I think taking your hypothetical in the abstract there is enough to have an investigation, however that may not be enough for a conviction.

Don’t forget this is not the first time prosecutors have pursued these people.

I just hope the prosecutors did not do anything shady to get over their probable cause hump.

[awaken2spirit]

You got me there. I’ve been communicating with you. Sorry that I did not recognize you as the beacon of light which you believe yourself to be. When did God die and leave you in place as his mouthpiece? Even though polygamy is illegal in our country, monogamy is a cultural tradition. I am curious about the philosophical roots that frame your concept regarding marriage, if you would care to comment and give us the benefit of your wisdom.

Thanks in advance...

[KingNo155]

My Dear Ansell I'm not upset about either case none of them have any bearing on my life, my only concern is that in both cases the goverment has acted in haste without proper investigation due to hearsey (i.e. rumors), I was raised you were innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of your peers unswayed by the media , not according to what i felt was right or wrong, but buy the law as it was written at the time of you offence, not ex Post facto

[KingNo155]

also i do not make arguments to make enemy's i argue to educate my self your criticisms are welcomed they cause me to look deeper into my own thought and help me to understand