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Updates and Insights: Texas Child Welfare Case
Catholic Online ^ | 4/14/2008 | Randy Sly

Posted on 04/14/2008 6:48:14 PM PDT by claudiustg

The bizarre story behind the removal of more than 400 children from a polygamist Mormon sect continues to develop.

WASHINGTON (Catholic Online) – It has been almost two weeks since authorities raided a Texas Ranch inhabited by members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and removed 416 children. The story continues to develop as details are made available.

According to an affidavit from the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, an intake report was received on March 29, 2008 at 11:32 pm concerning a teenage girl living at YFZ Ranch near Eldorado, Texas. The girl had called a local family violence shelter several times that day concerning her living situation at the ranch.

The girl reported that she was 16 and was married to a 49-year-old man. The man had other wives and that she was wife number seven. She also stated that she had been beaten and abused regularly by this man since she had arrived at the ranch. More recently, the abuse took place while one of the other women held her infant. The latest beating took place on Easter Sunday and resulting in her being hospitalized. She was pregnant at the time.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: cult; earlymarriage; flds; polygamy
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I'm puzzled. It seems to me that it wouldn't be too hard to identify and find someone who was hospitalized recently for injuries suffered in a beating, especially a pregnant 16 year old with injuries consistent with a beating.
1 posted on 04/14/2008 6:48:15 PM PDT by claudiustg
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To: claudiustg
Somebody in TX state and/or local authority surely got paid off to turn a blind eye as this abuse situation went on year after year.
2 posted on 04/14/2008 6:53:10 PM PDT by Ciexyz (My Comments/Ping List no longer downloads.)
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To: claudiustg

I’m puzzled. It seems to me that it wouldn’t be too hard to identify and find someone who was hospitalized recently for injuries suffered in a beating, especially a pregnant 16 year old with injuries consistent with a beating.


Yep in time if all the above was accurate it could be found. I’d like to know where the hospitalized came from? The papers linked below don’t mention being hospitalized.

Affiddavit in support of the original Petition and Protection of a child:
http://web.gosanangelo.com/pdf/affidavit.pdf

Search and arrest warrant:
http://web.gosanangelo.com/pdf/FLDSaffidavit.pdf


3 posted on 04/14/2008 7:01:27 PM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: Ciexyz

Assuming the abuse took place as described of course.

Fortunately Janet Reno is retired.


4 posted on 04/14/2008 7:04:26 PM PDT by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: claudiustg
At least the Clinton administration used the standard social worker line that children are better off united with their parents when they deported Elian.

Here government goes in to get one child, and they take all 400 from their parents. Where's Bush?

5 posted on 04/14/2008 7:09:03 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: claudiustg

This seems important........

“We’ve made a lot of headway with other groups who pledged to marry as adults and who took public pledges to discourage underage marriages,” Batchelor told the Post. “The FLDS was the only group that was not willing to agree to that.


6 posted on 04/14/2008 7:17:28 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Here government goes in to get one child, and they take all 400 from their parents. Where's Bush?

Was that a rhetorical question?

7 posted on 04/14/2008 7:20:43 PM PDT by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: claudiustg
I'm puzzled.

No you are not, it's the same old BS you Mormons have been spreading over everyone of the posts about these child abusing perverts.

The subject of where the girl is has no bearing on the abused children currently in protective custody.

8 posted on 04/14/2008 7:30:21 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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At least the Clinton administration used the standard social worker line that children are better off united with their parents when they deported Elian.

Here government goes in to get one child, and they take all 400 from their parents. Where's Bush?

I totally disagree. I think the men are all nutcases that should be castrated and put in prison for the rest of their lives. Actually, I think child rape should be a capital crime, and they should be eligible for the death penalty. Under no circumstances should the children be put in the custody of their fathers. I think the women should be evaluated to determine if they are capable of eventually getting their children back only if they did not themselves commit felonies against theirs or other children.

I'm glad that the state of Texas is enforcing the laws that the states of Utah and Arizona refuse to enforce. I don't want to see this bunch of perverts infiltrate into the Texas political system the way they have in Arizona and Utah.

9 posted on 04/14/2008 7:39:36 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: org.whodat

I’m not a Mormon.

What girl? Does she even exist?

They had a warrant to go get this girl. Instead they come back with 400+ other children and 139 women. They had a warrant to arrest a man who is a least known, but they don’t arrest him.

The women are allowed to remain with their children, but forbidden to communicate with the outside world. They can leave, but if they do they can’t return to their children. There are zero arrests.

Is it now the custom of the state to take into custody the children of any household where a pregnant underage girl is found?

The authorities have some explaining to do.


10 posted on 04/14/2008 7:49:16 PM PDT by claudiustg (You know it and I know it.)
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The authorities have some explaining to do.

Only in your little world, I'm more than happen to watch these perverts prove is is the mother of who and who is the father of who.

And yes, any under age girl that is found to be pregnant should be investigated by the proper authorities. And possible the responsible party should be gelded.

11 posted on 04/14/2008 8:09:31 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: org.whodat

Actually they have some explaining to do out there in the big legal world.


12 posted on 04/14/2008 8:14:08 PM PDT by claudiustg (You know it and I know it.)
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To: claudiustg

There is an extremely troubling aspect to this: All children, no matter what their circumstances in that private community are being taken by the State. It is as if Texas has determined that parental rights are automatically suspended simply for living there. That the judicial hearings on the case appear to be very short with little opportunity for individual parents to have their day in court should raise a loud tyranny alarm.

If the State can do this to them, the next time it will be easier to do this to people who are a little more in the mainstream.

If sexual abuse is found in any case, that is a different matter. But the bum’s rush to terminate parental rights for all parents should scare all of us.


13 posted on 04/14/2008 8:30:36 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Paleo Conservative
I totally disagree. I think the men are all nutcases that should be castrated and put in prison for the rest of their lives. Actually, I think child rape should be a capital crime, and they should be eligible for the death penalty.

have there been any arrests? I don't see it in the article.

I guess you can warp out over a small, strange group who seem to live remotely from others. Do you feel the same way about the enormous problem in most states of women rearing children with multiple unmarried fathers at taxpayers' expense who mostly wind up dysfunctional and dangerous. Most ordinary people should be able to see the huge problem is worse than the little Mormon problem. Welfare moms really are practicing polygamy. Yet, your beloved public social services make sure the children in these families stay in these familes.

14 posted on 04/14/2008 8:31:12 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: theBuckwheat
If the State can do this to them, the next time it will be easier to do this to people who are a little more in the mainstream.

My impression of Texas CPS is that they been behaving like this ever since they were created. The only thing unusual about this case as far as the behavior of CPS goes is the number of kids. They seem to be a law unto themselves.

15 posted on 04/14/2008 8:44:32 PM PDT by BitBucket
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To: Paleo Conservative

I think adult men marrying teenage girls is a really bad idea, but before you jump off the cliff about Texas versus Arizona and Utah you should consider that up until 2005 when the Texas law was amended, it was legal for 14 year old boys and girls to marry with parental permission. So 3 years ago the alleged marriage between a now 16 year old girl and some old guy which is at the center of the current case would have been legal in Texas. A bad idea for sure, but legal under Texas law for many, many years.


16 posted on 04/14/2008 8:59:18 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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up until 2005 when the Texas law was amended, it was legal for 14 year old boys and girls to marry with parental permission.

That was one of those obsolete 19th century laws that hadn't been updated. I don't know of anyone who got married that young period. The fact that the marriage age with parental consent was raised to 16 without much mention in the media is a pretty good indicator that this is very uncommon in Texas. The law got changed very specifically to make it easier to prosecute members of the FLDS if necessary.

17 posted on 04/14/2008 9:11:52 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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IN 2003, in Texas, there were 40 marriages of women of age 14. THe source doesn’t mention the age of the husband.....

Not that I support these poeple, I do wonder at the actions of the police/state authorities.


18 posted on 04/14/2008 9:32:41 PM PDT by ASOC (Training Storungen werden auf Papier notiert. Taktische Storungen werden im Stein geatzt. Gen Rommel)
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To: claudiustg
While Texas Child Protective Services are convinced the call was genuine, attorneys for the FLDS claim this was all a part of a ruse and that authorities were duped.

Seems like check of phone records would answer that question.

19 posted on 04/14/2008 9:36:22 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Here government goes in to get one child, and they take all 400 from their parents. Where's Bush?

From the way the article reads, it's a Texas situation, NOT a Federal one. The President would have nothing to do with it.

20 posted on 04/14/2008 9:38:47 PM PDT by SuziQ
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