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Pictures that should shame us all reveal the shabby way Britain treats its heroes
Daily Mail ^ | April 12, 2008

Posted on 04/12/2008 8:59:15 PM PDT by nuconvert

Pictures that should shame us all reveal the shabby way Britain treats its heroes

12th April 2008

They serve the same Queen, fight the same foe and lay down their lives with equal valour and sacrifice.

But when the fallen heroes of Canada and Britain come home, the welcome is very different.

At airbases in both countries there is only sombre respect.

But today The Mail on Sunday publishes extraordinary pictures that contrast the final road journeys: in Canada, there is a police escort and crowds line the route; in Britain, the hearses are denied outriders and go unremarked.

Coffins carrying the Canadian soldiers' bodies are driven 107 miles from the airbase at Trenton, Ontario, to a coroner's office in Toronto; in Britain the trip is 50 miles from RAF Lyneham, Wiltshire, to the morgue at Oxford's John Radcliffe Hospital.

In Canada the road is cleared and a police escort of several squad cars ensures a smooth passage as onlookers pay tribute and police and fire officers salute.

But in Britain most of the journey is spent ignored and stuck in traffic – because Thames Valley Police refuse to provide an escort as they "focus on community safety rather than ceremonial roles".

Last night MP Quentin Davies, who is heading a Ministry of Defence study into strengthening public support for Britain's Armed Forces, labelled the failure to provide an escort for our war dead "despicable".

Other Service personnel and police from other Forces concur.

The intensely moving pictures of the Canadian repatriation are being emailed among British soldiers and have been posted on the internet.

Canada currently has 2,500 troops in Afghanistan and has so far lost 82. Britain has lost 91 from a total of 7,800.

The series of pictures includes emotional scenes last year when six Canadian soldiers were flown home.

Captain Jefferson Francis, 36, Captain Matthew Dawe, 27, Master Cpl Colin Bason, 28, Corporal Cole Bartsch, 23, Corporal Jordan Anderson, 25, and Private Lane Watkins, 20, were killed together in their armoured vehicle by a massive roadside bomb near Kandahar.

Along the entire route, on 50 motorway bridges, at roadsides, intersections, on the sides of roads, in fields and even on the central barrier of the busy motorway, local people, firefighters and police stood to attention, Royal Canadian Legionnaires lowered flags and whole families proudly waved "We support our troops" placards.

"Fire halls had their trucks out, with their members in full dress uniform out front paying respects to our comrades.

"People stopped their cars along the side of the road, got out and saluted or held their hands over their hearts.

"As we neared downtown, the streets were lined with crowds waving Canadian flags and paying their respects.

"The outpouring of support for our fallen heroes and their families was beyond belief."

Lt Col Legere's letter concluded: "Never before have I been as proud to wear this uniform."

Highways for Heroes have been designated in other Canadian cities and many people pay their respects when a fallen soldier returns. Police escorts are the norm.

The spectacle contrasts strongly with the progress of a British cortege which The Mail on Sunday was given special permission to follow earlier this month.

Lieutenant John Thornton, 22, and Marine David Marsh, 23, both of 40 Commando Royal Marines, were killed in a vehicle explosion while patrolling in Helmand Province.

Their two black hearses and an empty spare hearse accompanying them were initially escorted by Wiltshire Police.

The cortege first passed through the village of Wootton Bassett where locals, forewarned by the RAF base, gather at the war memorial to pay their respects.

But for much of the rest of the trip to Oxford – where the bodies undergo post-mortems before being returned to their families – the hearses are on their own, led only by an undertaker's car.

They were cut up by impatient motorists at roundabouts, stuck in traffic and generally ignored by the public, their significance lost because of a lack of the gravitas that a police escort would provide.

The problem has arisen because the Wiltshire Constabulary escort – normally three motorcycle outriders and two patrol cars which stop other traffic along the route – has to "peel off" at the Oxfordshire border where the Thames Valley force area begins.

The corteges then have to fend for themselves on Oxford's notorious ring-road.

Inspector Mark Levitt of Wiltshire Police has taken up the matter with Thames Valley.

(con't at source link with more photos)


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: britain; canada; fallensoldiers; military

Stark contrast: The remarkable scene as Canada salutes her fallen and, below, how Britain's war dead are brought home almost unnoticed


1 posted on 04/12/2008 8:59:16 PM PDT by nuconvert
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To: Admin Moderator

duplicate. please remove.
Thanks


2 posted on 04/12/2008 9:01:53 PM PDT by nuconvert (There are bad people in the pistachio business.)
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To: nuconvert
Oh my...you can see into the British hearses and see that it's a coffin covered with the Union Jack, and they are still ignored! I can't think of what to say!

Canada has her problems, but at least they still remember that freedom isn't free.

3 posted on 04/12/2008 9:03:33 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: nuconvert
“The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional to how they perceive the Veterans of earlier wars to be treated and appreciated by their nation.”—George Washington.

Fare thee well Britannia. We hardly knew ye.

4 posted on 04/12/2008 9:10:54 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: nuconvert

As I tried to post on the source of those dreadful images, the silly Brits would be speaking German today if it were not for the thousand of American Lives, both Canadian and US, given to keep them free of Hitler. What a sorry lot of a$$holes. Not all but a growing number with no memory or education about the history of their current “freedom”.


5 posted on 04/12/2008 9:12:13 PM PDT by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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To: FrPR

Thank you for your service.


7 posted on 04/12/2008 10:16:40 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: nuconvert

What a sorry lot of sodding arseholes!

Britain is a miniscule shadow of its former greatness.


8 posted on 04/12/2008 10:18:55 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: FrPR

With a Father, born in Scotland, immigrated to these US of A’s in the 1930’s via Windsor, Ontario, Canada, with his parents, served in WW II, was severely injured on D-Day at Iwo Jima, while in the Navy, was a great and providing Father until he died at 84 and is now interned in Arlington National Cemetery, based on his honor of receiving a Purple Heart, I am totally with you on this posting. Thanks very much. Writing this message was good for me, too.


9 posted on 04/12/2008 10:21:10 PM PDT by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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To: concretebob; Jimmy Valentine's brother; cindy-true-supporter; PleaDeal; Tom the Redhunter; ...

Ping. Pix at the article link are very revealing.


10 posted on 04/12/2008 10:24:01 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (The best argument against democracy is a 5-minute conversation with the average voter.—WChurchill)
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To: jws3sticks

>>>the silly Brits would be speaking German today if it were not for the thousand of American Lives, both Canadian and US, given to keep them free of Hitler.

Sorry but that’s just out of line. Whatever criticisms of the Brits of today you want to make, none are appropriate against the WW2 generation. Almost alone until Hitler attacked Russia, they bought us the time to covert the factories, to launch the ships, and train the troops for war.

Weaklings would have thrown in the towel after Dunkirk. Cowards would have cried for peace during the Blitz. “Silly” people wouldn’t have fought Rommel in the desert or kept the North Atlantic sealanes open.

They did their part, we and the Canadians did ours. To disparage or minimize the contribution of either is just wrong.


11 posted on 04/13/2008 2:39:38 AM PDT by tlb
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To: FrPR
Sorry if I was “cheeky” but having lived in England, being from a Scottish father, loving W. Churchill, I have my opinions which may differ from others. There are many of my loving cousins living in England today, but some of them (none being my cousins, bye the bue) just don't have the message. I know they sacrificed. I had a cousin who went into the drink (Atlantic) four times during the U-Boat campaign on the merchant fleet. He was with Bank Line. I do know but sometimes, it just pisses me off with their current comments and lack of memory of the history of this planet. Sorry, to a point, if I rub some feathers the wrong way. A forum like this is for posting comments like I did, IMHO. I hope you all have a "good day".
13 posted on 04/13/2008 9:43:14 AM PDT by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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To: jws3sticks

This is absolutely, utterly, and completely the wrong thread to be wheeling out the tired old ‘Brits would be speaking Germans if not for us’ type comment. The British soldiers in those coffins died fighting for America’s national interest, so why don’t you go and fill another thread with your comments so they can be torn to pieces in the appropriate place?


14 posted on 04/13/2008 11:08:25 AM PDT by thundrey
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To: nuconvert

The Thames Valley police should be ashamed of themselves. The “death of the West” continues at full speed in Great Britain.


15 posted on 04/13/2008 4:17:17 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (To the liberal, there's no sacrifice too big for somebody else to make. --FReeper popdonnelly)
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To: thundrey

I hope you feel better. Bye the bye, read some of the other posts. Have a good one.


16 posted on 04/13/2008 5:46:29 PM PDT by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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