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Windows is 'collapsing,' Gartner analysts warn
Computer Worlds ^ | April 10, 2008 | Gregg Keizer

Posted on 04/11/2008 6:50:11 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

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To: pepsionice

Having tried Office 2007, I would call it a jump backwards. It does nothing I desire better than 97 or 2003, and many things worse.

MS’s problem, as you said, is that most of us are happy with XP and Office 2003 at the latest. My computer already does everything I want it to, and does it well - so why do I need to upgrade to anything?

Furthermore, I would pay a premium to NOT upgrade. I’d cheerfully pay more for my next computer so I could have it running XP/2003 and save myself the hassle of trying to figure out where MS hid the ‘save as’ command!

Maybe the solution is for MS to act like Coca-cola, and offer Windows/Office Classic...a bundle with XP/Office 97. Since it is older software, they could sell it licensed for 5 machines. Their only problem is that almost no one would buy anything else!


21 posted on 04/11/2008 7:13:30 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Let's win Congress - the Presidency is lost!)
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To: AppyPappy

That is what I have now. It is interesting, and free. I am still getting started with it.


22 posted on 04/11/2008 7:13:35 AM PDT by gridlock (Proud McCain Supporter since February 8, 2008.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The only reason I’m still running Windows on my home boxen is for gaming. A good Linux distro, Firefox, and OpenOffice (which I use under Windows anyway) would cover me otherwise.

I’m building new machines next month, and unfortunately, they’ll be running Vista 64-bit Home Premium...simply because I don’t trust Microsquish to not yank the carpet out from under XP at some point and leave me hanging a year down the road. But you can bet I’ll be stripping it down as much as possible and turning off every “feature” I can.

I don’t want an OS to make me coffee, fluff my pillows, and turn my impending new Core 2 Duo E8400 into a Pentium III. I want the OS to keep the computer running and get the hell out of my way while I run the apps I want, that’s it.

}:-)4


23 posted on 04/11/2008 7:16:32 AM PDT by Moose4 (If you get robbed, raped, or killed in Durham County, NC today, thank a probation officer.)
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To: chilepepper

Ahhh, whatever OS you are using for the self-righteous holier than thou masturbator...


24 posted on 04/11/2008 7:17:04 AM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: AppyPappy

Actually, the only reason I don’t use OpenOffice is that it takes about 3 times as long to start up on my computer as MS Word. And since I use Word about 80% of the time I use Office, with PowerPoint making up most of the remainder, I’d be happy if OpenOffice would keep the core running in the background and let me bring up word processing quickly.

If I could find a good word processor that was compatible with Word format, I’d be content.


25 posted on 04/11/2008 7:18:10 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Let's win Congress - the Presidency is lost!)
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To: AppyPappy
Open Office will do 99% of what people want.

Thus far, that 1% includes the unavailability of Evolution in the Windows version. It comes with the Linux version for Ubuntu, but not for Windows.

I still use Office 2000 mainly for the integration of Outlook. If Evolution was integrated in OpenOffice, I'd jump immediately.

26 posted on 04/11/2008 7:18:11 AM PDT by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The researchers damn Windows in current form, urge radical changes

Such as? Seriously. What radical changes are they urging?

What is it that they think Microsoft needs to do in order to make Windows dramatically better.

The simple fact is that most people are at least satisfied if not happy with Windows XP.

As for wanting Windows on smaller devices, Microsoft has Windows Mobile, Windows CE, and Windows Embedded. Windows Embedded is a slimed down version of Windows. CE and Mobile are made to run on different processor types, but still allow developers to use many of the same tools and libraries.

It's no surprise that most Windows users didn't run out and upgrade to Vista. That's pretty consistent with past releases as well. It's nothing new. If anything people are slower to move towards Vista simply because XP has been a good, solid, and reliable product. It's not perfect of course, but it was a big step up from past versions and really satisfied the needs of most users.

It's hard to get people to pay upgrade and migration costs when what they have suits their needs.

So these brilliant researchers are suggesting that Microsoft needs to make radical changes, but they didn't seem to have much in the way of suggestions for radical changes.

I'm guessing that they are pretty much as much at a loss as everyone else as to what Microsoft should do next with their PC OS.

Microsoft's problem is that their products have finally matured to the point where the to do list has shrunk to minor things, and they are having a hard time finding ways to add significant amounts of value to new versions.

That's good for consumers, but not good news for Microsoft's continued growth.

They are evolving their products in relatively minor ways as slightly different hardware becomes available, and as the market changes slightly.

However, unless there are radical changes in hardware, I have a hard time understanding what radical changes Microsoft is going to make that are going to add lots of value for consumers.

27 posted on 04/11/2008 7:19:26 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: chilepepper

“ah, Windows. The OS for stupid people.”

I’m primarily a gamer and don’t consider myself stupid. Most of the games I play require Windows exclusively and won’t play on Linux or an emulator without a lot of tweaking. Why go through all that?

I’m not defending Windows, just pointing out that your statement is too general.


28 posted on 04/11/2008 7:19:56 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Moose4

I’m still babystting a Windows 2000 server. It scares me to death. The older the version of Windows, the more likely you will be stung by a virus.

I’m building the kids a box with Vista 64-bit just to irritate them. I’ll dual-boot Ubuntu which will REALLY irritate them.


29 posted on 04/11/2008 7:20:27 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: untrained skeptic
What is it that they think Microsoft needs to do in order to make Windows dramatically better.

Making it secure would be a good start.

30 posted on 04/11/2008 7:20:29 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: gridlock

I’m going to take a look at it too....in a dual boot situation.


31 posted on 04/11/2008 7:20:54 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Boston Tea Party
Agreed!!! I just received my new Dell laptop on Wednesday. Vista STINKS!!!!

I'm already thinking about going back to Windows XP. It's slow on our home network, my Excell spreadsheet program won't work on it. Now I have to get Office 2007 and it's way toooo pricey!

I'm ticked!!

32 posted on 04/11/2008 7:23:02 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Vote Obama! And we'll be picking shrapnel out of our butts for decades!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

If I were Microsoft I would produce a legacy free operating system. For those who want legacy they can use XP and Vista

But M$ should start anew on a whole new base. Or steal from Unix (was it BSD) like Apple did. MS is going through some serious Apple envy here. Make a legacy free OS for at least some consumers. Give software and hardware manufacturers plenty of lead time to develop new products that can mesh with the new OS


33 posted on 04/11/2008 7:25:50 AM PDT by dennisw (Superior attitude. Superior state of mind --- Steven Segal)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

Yeah, Vista is particularly lethargic on laptops...you gotta make sure you get AT LEAST 2 gig of RAM.

That said, there are a couple of places you can still get laptops with XP...Dell is one, though the selection is limited.


34 posted on 04/11/2008 7:25:56 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

go to openoffice.org. It’s free.


35 posted on 04/11/2008 7:28:09 AM PDT by jslade (People who are easily offended......OFFEND ME!)
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To: Slapshot68; gridlock

I’ve been doing a dual-boot Ubuntu/XP for several months. Ubuntu 7.10 loads a lot slower than 7.04, but has better hardware integration so I suppose that’s the reason. But I still find myself in XP far more often because of applications I need to run, and don’t want to go the Windows shell thing in Ubuntu.

I hope to upgrade to another laptop sometime in the future. If before 2010 it’ll be XP. If after, I’ll decide whether to go strictly Linux. I have no intention of staying with Windows, even if the PC comes with it installed.


36 posted on 04/11/2008 7:28:18 AM PDT by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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To: gridlock
If Microsoft came out with Windows Lite, that was guaranteed to contain no legacy code and was lean and mean, I would pay extra for it.

As soon as you started loading software, you'd end up loading tons of libraries and DLLs containing legacy code to support that software.

There are tools to build a slimmed down Windows distribution (at least for XP, not sure about Vista). You can remove a lot of the useless crap.

Then people load on crappy, bloated anti-virus software, and tons of mostly useless utilities that run in the background. After a rather short time, their computers become more and more sluggish, and uninstalling crappy software doesn't seem to fix the problem, and eventually they go and buy a new computer because the one they have is too slow.

Of course reloading the OS and just the software they need will make the computer they have work fine once again, which is one of the main reasons I think computer vendors quit providing software media with new computers. They don't want people to be able to restore their computers to usefulness. They want you to buy a new one.

37 posted on 04/11/2008 7:28:47 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

One of Steve Jobs’ smartest decisions was to start fresh with OSX as an entirely new OS. A lot of users grumbled at the time but no longer. Is it possible for Microsoft to do the same?


38 posted on 04/11/2008 7:29:05 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Slapshot68

I have: 1GB, DDR2, 667MHz 2 Dimm....DARN!

When I purchased a Dell laptop last last June, for my daughter, I was given the choice of XP or Vista. She chose XP. This time I wasn’t given a choice.


39 posted on 04/11/2008 7:30:40 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Vote Obama! And we'll be picking shrapnel out of our butts for decades!)
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To: untrained skeptic

You make some very astute observations.


40 posted on 04/11/2008 7:32:28 AM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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