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1 posted on 04/09/2008 9:12:58 PM PDT by neverdem
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“The constraints imposed on F.D.A. make it difficult for the health of the American public to be adequately protected.”

Sheesh... This says it all. The nanny state. The American public can’t be trusted to make their own decision about their health.


2 posted on 04/09/2008 9:22:13 PM PDT by Balata
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To: neverdem
Yet patients often fail to mention using such supplements to physicians.

So, why don't the doctors ask?

3 posted on 04/09/2008 9:25:40 PM PDT by donna (The United States Constitution and the Koran are mutually exclusive.)
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To: neverdem

“Potential for Harm in Dietary Supplements”

People should educate themselves...even dietary supplements (improperly
made and/or taken) can pose a threat.
The old phrase from an early toxicologist should be heeded:
“It’s the dose that makes the poison” (i.e., any substance taken
in sufficiently high amounts will endanger human health).

E.g., the tryptophan problem from some years back.

Tryptophan supplements and EMS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryptophan

That’s why folks should do their homework, only take the supplements
in a sane amount and discontinue if they experience problems.


6 posted on 04/09/2008 9:31:31 PM PDT by VOA
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I remember well when cyclamates were banned in the US as sweeteners. That was because of the Delaney Amendment that stated that any compound that was found to cause cancer in any concentration.. was to be banned.

This was found to cause cancer in rats at a rat of pounds per day of ingestion.... not grams per day...

It was banned, leaving only saccharin for sugar sensitive folks. Problem... later research found this to be more dangerous.

Now we find that Canada permits Cyclamates but the US does not. Canada, the last I heard does not permit saccharin. So.... Cyclamates cause Cancer in the US, but NOT in Canada. Saccharin does NOT cause cancer in the US, but it DOES in Canada...

It gets better...

Years ago, I recall reading an FDA publication that admitted that the FDA made a mistake on Cyclamates.... BUT it could not admit it...

That would cause the FDA to lose credibility. I only wish I had saved and scanned that publication.

But I saw it. These people lie and will continue to do so.

7 posted on 04/09/2008 9:32:15 PM PDT by drc43 (US won despite us... NOW what?... Nancy Pelosi)
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To: neverdem
I wonder how much the drug companies had to pay to get this article inserted into the New York Times? They don't want natural substances competing with their synthetic, expensive, dangerous compounds.
9 posted on 04/09/2008 9:41:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only Hillary or Obama can!)
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To: neverdem

Yes, let us make all the health care decisions for you because we, the government, know all.


10 posted on 04/09/2008 9:48:02 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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“Six of these — green tea, grapeseed, ginkgo biloba turmeric, salmon oil and vitamin E, he said, “are known to increase bleeding due to inhibition of platelet aggregation,” the first step in forming a clot. Within a week after discontinuing all supplements, her mouth began to heal normally.”

A competent dentist would have asked a patient about any supplements used before performing any invasive procedure. I’m been asked that several times, and told to stop taking vitamin E and low dose daily aspirin several days before any procedure.

This dentist, cited as some sort of authority, should be investigated for incompetence and for endangering his patients. Millions are using those supplements, and MDs are recommending low dose aspirin and fish oil left and right. It has been standard for years to ask patients about any blood thinning supplements or OTCs they use.

The EU and some international organizations are priming to begin regulating supplements. Maybe the august NYT is just helping pave the way. But this article was written (as so many are) by someone lacking sufficient knowledge of the subject matter.

And, homeopathic remedies can claim efficacy for specific conditions because homeopathy has been around for more than 150 years, and preceded the FDA and most all of modern medicine and drugs. It works for some things, and has worked for 150 years for some things. The guidelines for labeling of homeopathic remedies was probably grandfathered in a century or so ago. And though it is used by few in the US, it is used by tens of millions worldwide. I recently found two sure fire homeopathic remedies for my occasional headaches, and for flu symptoms. Work every time.


12 posted on 04/09/2008 9:50:28 PM PDT by Will88
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Yeah....like we should trust the FDA (government)....who okayed Premarin - pregnant mare’s urine - for use by women....in a pill form that flushed into a woman’s body and through her liver/kidneys quickly - uh huh....but, now....is considering banning NATURAL, bio identical compounded hormone creams (which are applied externally, and the uptake is slow) because they MIGHT possibly not be regulated enough!


17 posted on 04/09/2008 10:35:05 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character; Being Coddled Destroys Character)
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To: neverdem
....poorly regulated supplements...

Maybe we can regulated supplements to the point only large pharmaceutical companies can afford to distribute them.
Like say trucking, meat packing and other industry and services regulated to the point that small business can't compete.

18 posted on 04/09/2008 10:46:01 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: neverdem
The constraints imposed on F.D.A. make it difficult for the health of the American public to be adequately protected.”

The corrupt F.D.A. has no intrest protecting the public, their only intrest is collecting bribes from drug companys.

19 posted on 04/09/2008 10:53:42 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: neverdem
Clearly, the Gov is getting restless and is tired of 'treading lightly'. They want control sooner; not later; of your health decisions; and most importantly, they want your pocket book.

The language here is familiar; the 'scare'. ..the warnings; the veiled threats; which in turn, can only leave one sceptical, when you hear the same MO applied to so many issues - the same tacttics; the same 'fear tones'; designed to have you begging for healthcare you can trust. And they want 'in on the money' now; not tomorrow. . .

We must hang on here; we cannot be invited into 'fear', so as to give up control of our privately-controlled 'wellness'. An outrageous proposition.

22 posted on 04/09/2008 11:25:35 PM PDT by cricket (Damn Political Correctness; before it irretrievably, damns us all. . .)
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>> “A form of substance abuse rampant in this country...”

What a crock! doctordeanedell, prominent radio quack, tells us that ALL supplements MUST be put through the FDA drug approval (at a cost only big drug companies can afford) and a few minutes later tells us that Street Drugs must be legalized!


24 posted on 04/09/2008 11:59:36 PM PDT by DoorGunner (anti-facial retaliatory rhin-ectomy)
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25 posted on 04/10/2008 12:24:46 AM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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I smell the Government’s big, clumsy hand coming near - - -


27 posted on 04/10/2008 5:10:09 AM PDT by RoadTest ("- - Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols - - " Ezekiel 14:6)
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To: neverdem
They want to regulate and put out of business the vitamin and homeopathic supplements, for your own good, as usual.
32 posted on 04/10/2008 6:49:19 AM PDT by boomop1
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