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1 posted on 04/09/2008 2:08:56 PM PDT by Dallas
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To: Dallas

I realize that you are not necessarily capable of mentioning every single brand of gas station, but up here in Western PA, Kwik Fill (mostly a regional producer I think) states proudly on it’s pumps that it produces 100% North American Crude Oil. :-)


28 posted on 04/09/2008 2:25:53 PM PDT by Spacetrucker (tick tock, tick tock - it's the Dinosaur Media Death Clock!!)
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To: Dallas

Hmmm. Nice to know that I’ve not been buying my fuel from any of the companies who import from the Middle East for years. Thanks for the post.


31 posted on 04/09/2008 2:26:36 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: Dallas
This thread is why unsourced emails, especially those spouting BS, are supposed to be posted in chat.

Gas flout

34 posted on 04/09/2008 2:27:57 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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I wanna boycott all the ones that import from France!


35 posted on 04/09/2008 2:28:45 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("I am like...Dude......do you really....like want the Sex?")
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To: Dallas

Hate to say it but this stuff gets STALE aka old


38 posted on 04/09/2008 2:30:11 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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If you actually know someone who works in local/regional distribution, ask them what REALLY goes on.

This stuff is a pack of lies.

Multiple brands are delivered from the same terminals in the same tankers. The only difference (in some cases) is that the drivers pour different additives for the branded stuff.

Pack of lies...

Hell, the distributor my wife works for owns one branded and one un-branded station literally across the corner from each other. Same tanker delivers to both.

Pack of lies...

Peet (some day I’ll tell you how I *really* feel)


40 posted on 04/09/2008 2:31:46 PM PDT by Peet (Insert clever phrase here.)
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this is just stupid ...

#1 oil is fungible

#2 the downstreamers don’t buy crude from ANYWHERE, they buy refined products from midstreamers - who can mix crudes from multiple sources in any given depot


42 posted on 04/09/2008 2:32:44 PM PDT by Republican Party Reptile
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Is this your way of forwarding the email to 10 of your friends to avoid bad luck? Are you sitting around waiting for the phone call from that “special someone” the email promised in exchange for forwarding it?


44 posted on 04/09/2008 2:33:17 PM PDT by xjcsa (Has anyone seen my cornballer?)
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To: Dallas

Citgo doesn’t import any Arab oil either.


48 posted on 04/09/2008 2:37:26 PM PDT by raygun (24.14% of the Voting Age Population elected Slick (The Cigar) Willey to a second term.)
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How ‘bout that. Not a one of the alleged no-ME-importers is in Houston.


49 posted on 04/09/2008 2:38:54 PM PDT by Xenalyte ("A cat can give birth to kittens in the oven. That don't make 'em biscuits." - Quanell X)
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This is VERY IMPORTANT: oil is fungible. Gasoline and diesel are commodities.

When you buy from one station because you are told it is US oil, the product you buy may have come from the very same pipeline batch as the product from the station you boycott because it is oil from the middle east.

A lot of gasoline retailers are independent business that have a marketing arrangement with the supplier.

For a variety of sound economic reasons, this is just silly.

I think the US should stop importing oil from outside of the western hemisphere for reasons of national security. The President could issue that exact finding, and direct the Commerce or Energy Department to determine a future date when zero imports from Arab OPEC would be allowed. Of course, this date would be chosen to allow an orderly transition to local sources. Until that date, oil imports would be gradually reduced, again to sustain an orderly market.

A number of conversion technologies have break-even costs at or below the present market price of oil. Such a policy decision may not result in higher fuel prices. It would certainly, and finally, result in energy independence.

Every president since Nixon has talked about energy independence. What have we gotten? For once thing, increased restrictions on where oil exploration and drilling was allowed. Setting a date certain for Zero Imports is the only bold move that will in fact achieve the desired result.

51 posted on 04/09/2008 2:39:41 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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In reality it does not matter guys. here is why: SF bay area has five major refineries (Valero, BP, Chevron, Shell, Tesoro and Exxon). Yet we have Arco, Flying J and other independent gas stations. If I choose to buy from Flying J, where is the gas coming from?

Answer: Since closest Flying J refinery is in Bakersfield, 250 miles away, it is likely to not be trucked up. In truth all major refineries contract with each other to mix gas to a proprietary blend.

Flying J, may contract with BP to produce a "Flying J" blend, which may contain some additives not used by BP. Thus BP has a tank where the additive is mixed and blended. This gas is then trucked to the local Flying J refineries.

Buying from a "Shell" station does not guarantee that a Shell refinery produced that gasoline.

56 posted on 04/09/2008 2:41:43 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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To: Dallas

I don’t mean to sound smarmy, but information like this is meaningless. Crude Oil is fungible...that means that if the Middle East doesn’t sell oil to a US company, then they will sell it to someone else. Any American who tries to avoid buying Middle East oil products simply doesn’t hurt the Middle east oil producers.

Additionally, it is common for one company to sell gasoline (or other refined products) to another company after it is refined or even ‘at the rack’. Thus a company that doesn’t buy crude oil from the Middle East probably does sell some gasoline at their stations that came from Middle East oil.


57 posted on 04/09/2008 2:42:02 PM PDT by NRG1973
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www.snopes.com is your friend.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp

60 posted on 04/09/2008 2:42:56 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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Snopes is your friend.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp


65 posted on 04/09/2008 2:49:25 PM PDT by mnehring
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Bump for later reading..


69 posted on 04/09/2008 2:55:33 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Typical White Person)
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Urban Legends says it's false...  Go to http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp

I got this from
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/summary2007.html

Crude Oil Imports From Persian Gulf 2007
JANUARY - DECEMBER 2007
(Thousand Barrels)
Totals:
Company Total Persian Gulf % Persian Gulf

VALERO MARKETING & SUPPLY CO
EXXONMOBIL OIL CORP
CONOCOPHILLIPS CO
CHEVRON USA INC
SUNOCO INC
MOTIVA ENTERPRISES LLC
BP PRODUCTS N AMERICA INC
CITGO PETROLEUM CORP
MARATHON PETROLEUM CO LLC
FLINT HILLS RESOURCES LP
SHELL OIL CO DEER PARK
HOUSTON REFINING LP
TESORO PETROLEUM CORP
PDV MIDWEST REFINING LLC
TOTAL PETROCHEMICALS USA INC
SHELL US TRADING CO
CHALMETTE REFINING LLC
MURPHY OIL USA INC
CITGO ASPHALT REFINING CO
TESORO HAWAII CORP
PRSI TRADING LP
GIANT YORKTOWN INC
UNITED REFINING CO
SHELL CHEMICAL LP
PLAINS MARKETING LP
VITOL SA INC
CHS INC
SINCLAIR OIL CORP
FRONTIER OIL & REFINING CO
SHELL OIL CO
WRB REFINING LLC
HUNT CRUDE OIL SUPPLY CO
SHELL OIL PRODUCTS US PUGET SOUND
SUNCOR ENERGY USAINC
KOCH SUPPLY & TRADING CO
ERGON OIL PURCHASING INC
PARAMOUNT PETROLEUM CORP
LION OIL CO
TRIGEANT LTD
MONTANA REFINING CO
NCRA
ARON J & CO
CANNAT ENERGY INC
TIDAL ENERGY MARKETING INC
STATOIL MKTG & TRDG US INC
EQIUSTAR CHEMICALS LP
US OIL & REFINING
FLYING J PETROLEUM INC
PACIFIC MARKETING & TRANSP
GARY-WILLIAMS ENERGY CORP
MERCURIA ENERGY CANADA INC
UBS AG LONDON BRANCH

Persian Gulf includes = Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and United Arab Emirates.


71 posted on 04/09/2008 3:08:13 PM PDT by hamboy
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I think we should boycott wheat from Iowa because they voted for Mike Huckabee...

now, who's gonna check each and every kernel of wheat to see where it comes from before buying it?

just - to borrow a phrase - illustrating absurdity by being absurd...

73 posted on 04/09/2008 3:28:23 PM PDT by stefanbatory
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OK. Did some research through the DOE website, which links out to a further site dealing with energy source data. That site is the Energy Information Administration. This is a current spreadsheet by company, fuel type, country of origin:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/data/import.xls

Some armchair analysis: In a very unscientific way, one could glance at this data and generalize that some of the bigger companies originally listed on this thread DO get a significant proportion of their petroleum products from ME countries. To make it really worthwhile, I think you’d need to study historical data for a few years to see if this is a consistent pattern for the particular company. To be useful to would-be boycotters, you’d have to also be able to separate out those petroleum products which go into gas production and/or home heating fuel.

Apparently, the chart also shows that even companies with a country specific origin, like BP, get their products from all over the place. As others have suggested, given the fungibility of the commodity, its supply is interchangeable. However, it appears that there are predominant trends, such as where most of the deliveries come from. The rest, for a given company, are or appear to be, sort of “spot purchases” to fill supply requirements.

Boy, I wish someone could really work up this data and give people like me, who really hate giving my money to the terror supporting nations, a meaningful way to boycott them at the pump.


74 posted on 04/09/2008 3:35:47 PM PDT by JewishRighter (Why, oh Why can't it be Hunter???)
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I'd rather know how to buy from those who do not buy from OPEC!

OPEC is a cartel that sets prices at the barrel.

OPEC is muslim aka enemy dominated.

77 posted on 04/09/2008 3:46:32 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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