Posted on 04/09/2008 9:33:38 AM PDT by Domandred
Texas authorities named the wrong man in search and arrest warrants used to enter the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado and begin questioning FLDS children, two opponents of the sect said Tuesday.
The warrant issued Thursday evening named 50-year-old Dale Barlow, alleging he had married and impregnated a 16-year-old girl. Officials, who later sought a second search warrant, have removed 419 children.
But Joni Holm, who has helped children leave the FLDS, said the teenager who called officials on March 29 and 30 and claimed she was abused is married to a different, younger man. The girl's husband is in his late 30s, is related to Dale Barlow, shares his surname and has a similar sounding first name, Holm said.
"I know they're looking into the wrong one," Holm said.
Tela Mange, a spokeswoman for the Texas Department of Public Safety, on Tuesday said police were continuing to serve warrants and attempt to locate "the person that we are looking for."
When asked if that person was still Dale Barlow, she said, "As far as I know."
But Flora Jessop, who left the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints at age 16 and now helps others do the same, also said the wrong man was named in the initial warrants.
Texas authorities have made no effort to apprehend Dale Barlow at his address in Colorado City, Ariz. He reported to his Arizona probation officer on Friday - less than 24 hours after the raid began to tell the officer he was under investigation.
His probation officer has said Dale Barlow claimed to not know the teenager making the abuse accusations. Later Friday, Arizona authorities questioned him and searched his home.
The Salt Lake Tribune, which generally does not name alleged victims of sexual abuse, and other media outlets have not published the girl's name.
But Holm said the girl's identity, and the correct identity of her husband, is "common knowledge" in Colorado City, Ariz., and Hildale, Utah, where the sect has traditionally been based.
The Tribune is not naming the man identified by Holm as the girl's husband because he has not been named as a suspect or in court filings.
Holm, who is married to a former FLDS member, said she has spoken with people who know the teenager. She thinks Texas officials confused the two Barlows.
She believes it is possible the teenager did not know her husband's correct age and told authorities he is about 50. Also, she noted, Dale Barlow has a 2007 conviction in Arizona for criminal charges related to marrying and impregnating a different 16-year-old girl, which may have contributed to confusion.
The first warrant identified Dale Barlow by name and his birth date. The copy on file in court does not list the name of the investigator who petitioned for it.
A second and more expanded warrant, signed Sunday night, was based on observations and evidence found by law enforcement and child services workers inside the compound, according to court documents.
The abuse and brainwashing of the children in this sect is the government’s business. No one has a right to dry foul in this case.
I’m glad that under Bush we haven’t got a WACO, and that this thing is outed.
oops -”cry foul”
According to the Mainstream Media “newspeak”:
Liberal nuts live in “communes”.
Religious nuts live in “compounds”.
(Go figure!)
1. The girl who started this was calling on a cell phone she’d found, and talking very low, frightened to death she would be caught.
2. The people throughout this cult are so inter-related that many have the same last names.
3. Joni Holm, believe me, is not a cultist living on the compound or she would have no power to help children leave the cult. She is, through her efforts, familiar with the people, and is helping to clarify a tragic, confused situation.
4. Some of these kids don’t even know who their own fathers are.
You failed to get the facts in this article right (Holms), and yet you criticize the people who failed to get a name correct when whispered over the phone by a terrified 16 year-old girl?
The whole thing could end up thrown out on a technicality?
They’ll have to go back to a judge and revise the warrant and everything and everyone they collected would be up in the air as to admissibility?
“Also, she noted, Dale Barlow has a 2007 conviction in Arizona for criminal charges related to marrying and impregnating a different 16-year-old girl, which may have contributed to confusion.”
So many polygamists, so little time.
The abuse and brainwashing of the children in this sect is the government’s business.
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Abuse is the government’s business. I **seriously** doubt that all 419 children were being abused. I do believe that 419 children are severely traumatized by being ripped from their families by the government. THAT is government child abuse!
Also...Define “brainwashing”. Are the Amish brainwashing their kids? When the Amish shun is that brainwashing? Baptists? Mormons? Are Catholics brainwashing their kids when their teach them abortion is a mortal sin?
Sorry...The government needs to stay OUT of the brainwashing business!
Texas authorities have indicated that they think the girl who called may be among the hundreds who were taken out of the compound. It would hardly be surprising if she was too frightened to identify herself. Of course they could grab all the adolescent and teen females and march them through a hospital for chest Xrays to see which ones have current or past broken ribs, and then take those who do for a forced pelvic exam to see which of them have given birth. That would probably narrow it down to a dozen or less, and at that point the people who took the calls could probably pin down the right girl by listening to her voice, but personally I’m glad they’re moving more slowly and gently.
I personally hate the word "technicality". Quite simply law enforcement cannot break the law to catch someone. If this gets thrown on 4th Amendment grounds it was because to officers broke the law in both the search application and the search itself.
They’ll have to go back to a judge and revise the warrant and everything and everyone they collected would be up in the air as to admissibility?
I would think that going back to the judge wouldn't be an option. They couldn't use any evidence they found to justify getting another warrant. JMO.
If there's an underaged girl who's been beaten, raped and forced to give birth to a child, and if her identity and that of the abuser, are "common knowledge" to anyone, aren't those persons accessories to the crimes for not having reported this previously? And, if the names of the victim and the perpetrator are common knowledge, why are the Texas authorities still trying to identify the girl, and why have they left the name on the search warrant uncorrected?
It seems fairly apparent that truly evil activities involving children have been taking place here, and my biggest fear is that any of the perpetrators will go free due to law enforcement ineptitude.
So they say...
It wouldn't be possible that they were lying, now would it? I mean, really,... what reason could they possibly have for doing that, I wonder?
I’m glad they’re moving more slowly and gently.
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I don’t see how removing 419 children from their mothers and fathers can be called slow or gentle. There are a lot of terrified kids now in the hands of strangers.
I have to go and will get back to you later, but to quickly reply:
the brainwashing in this case is that the baby girls are raised to not question the rape of them by old men, when they enter puberty, and the boys are brainwashed to believe this is their duty, also.
That is government’s business, indeed.
Please do not try to confuse that issue with the issue of Amish communities, who do no such a thing as this in any manner, shape, or form, and whose children are not held captive to being sex slaves or to making others their sex slaves.
The whole flds community circles around sex, sex, and more sex, with old men living their lust out on brainwashed young persons who are held captive, emotionally, mentally, and physically, and who are themselves, brainwashed to believe that ‘god’ requires their submission to this. Submission to those things that defile the person physically, mentally, and emotionally, is the theme of mind bending cults.
The welfare of children is the business of the state. In this case, the state is right.
The strangers in this case have more interest in the welfare of those children that their own parents. If their mothers have wanted out, they will certainly be able to get out with their children, after this is sorted out. If their parents are so brainwashed to believe the lies,already, then the children are much more better off in the hands of the government.
Government does have a duty to perform for it’s own children. That is just fact. Get over it.
Also, remember that 419 “children” doesn’t mean 419 cute little toddlers and elementary school babies. It probably means 13-17 year old females who are being routinely raped and impregnated.
Parents are not always right.
I understand where your coming from but they have no 16 yo girl yet. It bothers me that a warrant could be issued with no victim by name identified. Just a phone call if I understand correctly.
I hope the story is just leaving important facts out.
God I hope so.
The media never gets anything right -we’ll wait for this to get sorted out. It will.
Yeah, I’m having trouble mustering any outrage over the warrant apparently having named the wrong child-raping Mr. Barlow.
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