Posted on 04/09/2008 9:33:38 AM PDT by Domandred
Texas authorities named the wrong man in search and arrest warrants used to enter the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado and begin questioning FLDS children, two opponents of the sect said Tuesday.
The warrant issued Thursday evening named 50-year-old Dale Barlow, alleging he had married and impregnated a 16-year-old girl. Officials, who later sought a second search warrant, have removed 419 children.
But Joni Holm, who has helped children leave the FLDS, said the teenager who called officials on March 29 and 30 and claimed she was abused is married to a different, younger man. The girl's husband is in his late 30s, is related to Dale Barlow, shares his surname and has a similar sounding first name, Holm said.
"I know they're looking into the wrong one," Holm said.
Tela Mange, a spokeswoman for the Texas Department of Public Safety, on Tuesday said police were continuing to serve warrants and attempt to locate "the person that we are looking for."
When asked if that person was still Dale Barlow, she said, "As far as I know."
But Flora Jessop, who left the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints at age 16 and now helps others do the same, also said the wrong man was named in the initial warrants.
Texas authorities have made no effort to apprehend Dale Barlow at his address in Colorado City, Ariz. He reported to his Arizona probation officer on Friday - less than 24 hours after the raid began to tell the officer he was under investigation.
His probation officer has said Dale Barlow claimed to not know the teenager making the abuse accusations. Later Friday, Arizona authorities questioned him and searched his home.
The Salt Lake Tribune, which generally does not name alleged victims of sexual abuse, and other media outlets have not published the girl's name.
But Holm said the girl's identity, and the correct identity of her husband, is "common knowledge" in Colorado City, Ariz., and Hildale, Utah, where the sect has traditionally been based.
The Tribune is not naming the man identified by Holm as the girl's husband because he has not been named as a suspect or in court filings.
Holm, who is married to a former FLDS member, said she has spoken with people who know the teenager. She thinks Texas officials confused the two Barlows.
She believes it is possible the teenager did not know her husband's correct age and told authorities he is about 50. Also, she noted, Dale Barlow has a 2007 conviction in Arizona for criminal charges related to marrying and impregnating a different 16-year-old girl, which may have contributed to confusion.
The first warrant identified Dale Barlow by name and his birth date. The copy on file in court does not list the name of the investigator who petitioned for it.
A second and more expanded warrant, signed Sunday night, was based on observations and evidence found by law enforcement and child services workers inside the compound, according to court documents.
Very true. She may not know her own name, or be afraid to give it, or many other possibilities.
My point is that if a minor makes a call and says she has been physically abused (broken ribs) and her legal guardians are in another state, because she doesn’t know the legal name of the person who assaulted her, then the authorities are not obligated to respond.
I’d say that’s stretching it just a bit.
What’s your beef exactly? LE went in because a child called them and said she was being sexually and physically abused. LE did what was right.
What diff does it make if the child involved doesn’t know the true and legal name of her father?
this could screw up their whole case as part of a “fruit of the poisonous tree” defense.
Scrivner’s errors are allowed UP TO A POINT. However, executing a warrent on a party other than the one named in the warrent is a major NO NO.
Then taking a little extra time to make sure the procedures were followed won't really matter will it?
If the cops screwed up the warrant process then the guilty might walk. Is that what you want?
LE make clerical errors on search “warrants” all the time. That doesn’t mean the case doesn’t have merit.
I don't think anyone has been arrested here yet, seeing a bunch of abused little girls and kids get proper food and medical help along with legal advice is not breaking the law are abusing it.
Even if you personally didn't commit rape or child abuse and they rounded up you and yours because someone else in your group was?
Okay whatever.
I see that by your screen name and tagline your a star wars fan. Play any Star Wars Galaxies? Here in the US there has been a few child deaths because the parents didn't care for their children and played video games instead. How do we stop that from happening again. It really is a terrible tragedy.
Besides that video games are a waste of time and money. I can't stand how anyone would rather play video games instead of going outside in the sun and socialize. Those video game players all have social issues and can't really function in regular society.
Then there is those Star Wars nut jobs with their "force powers" and "sith lords". Have you seen Episode One: The Phantom Menace with that Darth Maul guy? What's up with his horns and stuff. He must be satanic.
What are we going to do about the video game playing Star Wars watching child abusers? We can't let this go on!
How about we just round up all the kids of people that play video games because of those few that died. We'll just issue a blank warrant in the name of some random player that allows the search and seizure of all gamers with children's houses.
Then after we have all the video game players rounded up we can search their houses and interview them to see if any of them were also neglecting their children. Including YOU.
Oh what's this? I see from your playing records that you've spent most of your free time playing Star Wars Galaxies. I'll just have to get this warrant rewritten include anything we found in your house as well. We're going to take your kids until trial, just in case we find evidence of you playing instead of caring for your kids.
It's for the children after all. If society can't protect our children then all is lost. Marajade told me so.
By naming the WRONG GUY?
That's your idea of doing what's right?
It's the difference between your neighbor the drug dealer getting locked up awaiting trial and having it happen to you.
What legal guardians? Her “husband”? Her biological parents who, even if they can be identified and found, will both deny they’re her legal guardian? She doesn’t have any legal guardians who aren’t participating or enabling her abuse. If she did, she’d be calling them and not some domestic violence hotline. And you can be sure that the only reason she even had a phone number for that hotline was that a hospital staffer slipped it to her when she was being treated for the ribs her husband broke, and couldn’t be persuaded on the spot to accuse him and avoid going back for more abuse (probably because her baby was being held hostage and she feared never seeing the child again).
That's because they had the wrong guy on the warrant.
And on what grounds do you get to remove children from their families without filing some kind of charges?
So that's all it takes? Your name is similar to someone else so your kids get taken away?
Go to bathroom and look in mirror and repeat slowly, "this is not a story about WACO", do it several times.
What diff does the name make? Victims ID perps by other ways, ie., visual methods.
Two men were arrested for tampering with evidence and interfering with the search. No other arrests have been reported. I have no complaint with how Texas authorities are handling this, though I would like some assurance from them that the adult women are free to talk to the press if they choose to. But unfortunately I doubt any of the women would be willing to talk.
They had a warrant to search for the minor and someone resisted resulting in an arrest. That validates the need for the warrant, doesn't it?
The major erroneous information you refer to is the name of the person who injured her. That's to be ascertained later. It's called an investigation.
You’re really reaching a little far there in your post don’t ya think?
So, not a single link, not even something from the enquirer? Sheesh, I knew you were speculating but I figured you would not be so lazy as to not come up with anything at all.
As for keeping up, I saw holes in this thing three days ago...
Sunday, April 06, 2008 9:06:46 AM • 50 of 1,711 TLI to greyfoxx39
And was saying then it was the wrong guy. So, since you want to talk about.. something... cult M.O.'s or such and not what I am commenting on we are done. But not to fear! Posters Elsie, colorcountry and their gang will soon discover this thread and y`all will have plenty of chitter-chatter opportunity.
up to a point.
It is one thing to say “John Smith at 123 XYZ street” vs “John Simth at 123 XYZ street” compared to “John Smith” vs “Jack Doe”.
This was not an error of a spelling of a persons name necessitating a corrective alias warrent or something corrective. The error here is a whole entire wrong person being arrested.
I do not want to see the case screwed up because the police are being their usual incompetent selves.
Carolyn
Not far. Only a couple years if we throw out the Constitution and search and seizure on groups of people we don’t like. I just went with what I know about you from your screen name and tag line. It would be MUCH easier and less fantastic with more information.
There are exceptions to the 4th amendment (14th as well) and that is exigent circumstances. This is nothing new, the warrant will not be thrown out if the error does not effect the material facts in that warrant, used to build probable cause.
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