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"The statements of clergymen like Jeremiah Wright aren't controversial and incendiary; they're wicked and stupid."

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1 posted on 04/07/2008 2:31:20 PM PDT by george76
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To: Beckwith
We talked about how refreshing it would be for someone who knew about Islam to be in the Oval Office.

Your own question to me was, Didn’t I think it would be incredible to have somebody in the Oval Office who not only knew about Muslims, but had living and breathing Muslims in his own family?

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2 posted on 04/07/2008 2:37:47 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Good post . To me the issue was never whether Obambi believed what Wright was saying . Neither of them believed those things , they were being said to cultivate , agitate , captivate , and control an ignorant flock . Any con-man knows you can only skin a sheep once , but you can shear them over and over .
3 posted on 04/07/2008 2:38:05 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
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To: george76

Mr. Hitchens’ hatred for religion colors a great deal of what he says and writes. This article is no exception.

Which is not to say that he is wrong in this case. Perhaps the single most abhorrent aspect of churches is that frauds and fools worm their way into the heirarchies and pulpits and by their evil invective and horrific actions discredit real religion. Wright, Meeks, Farrakhan and their ilk are not religious at all. They worship no real god but bow instead to their own twisted idols. They worship power and money ora at the altar of some insane ideology and the fruit of their labors are resentment, hatred and violence. Not for anything on this earth would I want to be such a man as on that inevitable day when each faces the real God and the truth of what they have done and who they are - and who they could have been - is revealed to them their anguish will be terrible. I believe that forgiveness is available to all who will avail themselves of it. But I also believe that the overweening arrogance of some makes the likelihood of such a reach very nearly impossible.


7 posted on 04/07/2008 2:56:58 PM PDT by scory
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To: george76
"You often hear it said, of some political or other opportunist, that he would sell his own grandmother if it would suit his interests. But you seldom, if ever, see this notorious transaction actually being performed, which is why I am slightly surprised that Obama got away with it so easily. (Yet why do I say I am surprised? He still gets away with absolutely everything.)"

Say whatever you want about Hitchens's disdain of religion in general, he's so right on this point alone I want to clap until my hands fall off. Obama trying to draw moral equivalence between a woman afraid of a guy aggressively panhandling and a man preaching anti-Americanism, racial division, provably false tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories, and Marxist crap from his pulpit is beyond the pale. Especially considering that same woman helped him get to where he is today, by sending him to a nice school as well as feeding, clothing and sheltering him.

9 posted on 04/07/2008 3:31:26 PM PDT by mbennett203 ("Bulrog, a tough brute ninja who has dedicated his life to eradicating the world from hippies.")
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To: LibertyRocks; Grampa Dave

African Swahili or Arabic : Barack

Hussein is also Arabic ?


15 posted on 04/07/2008 4:51:03 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Would someone please tell me why is everybody is suddenly so lathered up about Jeremiah Wright.

There is absolutely no difference whatsoever between him and the leadership level (repeat: leadership level) of many of Americas mainstream Protestant churches, other than the racial 'black liberation' component. This has been the case for a long, long time now. McCain is identified as a long time Episcopalian. Does anyone need to be reminded of what the Episcopal Church is about these days? Hillary! is a long time United Methodist member. They are one of the main pillars of the National Council of Churches. Check them out if you are unfamiliar with their 'beliefs'.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who whines about Obamas church and has nothing to say about these others is nothing but a hypocrite.

21 posted on 04/07/2008 8:48:23 PM PDT by Thudd ("It worked fine in the store")
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To: george76

Can any students of history tell me if any other candidate this frighteningly anti-American has ever gotten this close to the presidency?


32 posted on 04/07/2008 10:28:15 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: george76
"The statements of clergymen like Jeremiah Wright aren't controversial and incendiary; they're wicked and stupid."

"With each new utterance on the topic of Reverend Wright, Barack Obama seems to confirm his own moral obliviousness. Worse yet, he seems to have disdain for those who are troubled by his own unwillingness, even now, to break with Wright."

On his new campaign plane, Obama said he has spoken with Wright in recent days and disputed any suggestion that he or his campaign have asked him to stay out of the limelight.

"I have talked to him," he said. "I haven't asked him to do anything."

Walter Williams: "For the nation and for black people, the first black president should be the caliber of a Jackie Robinson and Barack Obama is not. Barack Obama has charisma and charm but in terms of character, values and understanding, he is no Jackie Robinson. By now, many Americans have heard the racist and anti-American tirades of Obama's minister and spiritual counselor. There's no way that Obama could have been a 20-year member of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's church and not been aware of his statements."

Thomas Sowell: "It is painful to watch defenders of Barack Obama tying themselves into knots trying to evade the obvious. Some are saying that Senator Obama cannot be held responsible for what his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said. In their version of events, Barack Obama just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time—and a bunch of mean-spirited people are trying to make something out of it."

Hussein Obama’s racist pseudo minister has turned the Dems' run for President into party's train wreck!

Devastatingly, Shelby Steele writes: “Obama has fellow-traveled with a hate-filled, anti-American black nationalism all his adult life, failing to stand and challenge an ideology that would have no place for his own (white) mother."

Just What Did Obama Know About Wright's Past Sermons? (Plenty)

“Barack Obama either agreed with what was preached from the Trinity pulpit, or he tuned it out and stayed around pretending to for political reasons. To say he stayed for 20 years but doesn't agree with Wright's preaching is incredible denial. It'd be like a man buying White Sox season tickets for 20 years, attending the games, and saying he's not a fan.”

Obama’s supporters want us to ignore this story… just push it under the rug. While they’ll align Republicans with any obscure pastor who does or says something controversial, they’re trying to convince us that Obama’s 20-year long close relationship with Wright, including his effective endorsement of him, his church and rhetoric with a $22,500 donation in 2006 is irrelevant.

“When Obama decided against wearing an American flag pin, we may all have been a bit too quick to accept his rationale, too quick to find that issue unimportant. Now, that American flag pin has gotten a lot bigger for a lot of us, especially in light of what may have been and may still be Obama’s deeper, and, perhaps, secret, less than patriotic beliefs about America.”

“Wright says that blacks can’t be expected to sing God Bless America because of racism. Obama doesn’t salute the flag during the National Anthem. That sure strikes me as an amazing coincidence since Obama swears he never heard Wright say anything against America.”

Here is the link to the Star Spangled Banner video with obama standing there without his hand over his heart...

Notice her ear ring!


48 posted on 04/08/2008 1:21:18 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Hussein ObamaSamma's Pastor, Jeremiah Wright: "God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11")
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To: george76
And...The most important part that NO one, not even clergymen, have pointed out, is that Wright's statements were blasphemous. For a man of the cloth to damn anything is wicked. But to say G.D. and use God's name in vain, against the Third Commandment - 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain,' is blasphemy.

If clergymen don't follow the Ten Commandments, if they blatantly break them as Rev. Wright has done, they should be stripped of their robes and titles. I just cannot understand why there has been no fury over this, at least by other religious leaders. Instead, Wright is still receiving praise from them for previous good works and his spiritual guidance - Duh... guiding people to use God's name in vain? Is that what our pastors are supposed to do? Do none of them realize that for Wright to have said “G.D. America” is more than inflammatory - it is a sin! Do we not call people, especially those who set themselves up as leaders and examples of religious living, on their sins anymore? God does! And, Rev. Wright seems not to fear the wrath of the very God he purports to revere!

What an outright, flagrant, in-your-face, sin against the very laws God gave us and clergymen are supposed to uphold. If he does not follow the word of God, I can't suppose any of his followers care about any of the other Commandments either. Certainly Obama has broken several of them: Look at Commandments 5, 7, 8, and 9. Maybe Obama wasn’t in his church when they were taught. Or, maybe Wright’s “church” doesn’t teach them!

Yet, it is obvious that no one has had the courage or insight to separate the racial aspect of Wright's attack, from the blasphemy he committed while attacking white Americans. What is with that? Aren't there any religious leaders who have found Wright's "G.D. America" statement totally unacceptable and detestable for an ordained person to have said to his congregation?

53 posted on 04/10/2008 2:03:26 PM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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To: george76
He coldly decided to double-cross that bridge when he came to it.

Great column. Thanks for posting it.

54 posted on 04/10/2008 2:41:18 PM PDT by syriacus (Wright's non-prophet chickenhood came home to roost in a million dollar mansion in a gated community)
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To: george76

“You often hear it said, of some political or other opportunist, that he would sell his own grandmother if it would suit his interests. But you seldom, if ever, see this notorious transaction actually being performed...”

In a public speech no less.


57 posted on 04/16/2008 12:24:31 AM PDT by WOSG (Gameplan: Obama beats Hillary, McCain beats Obama, conservatives beat RINOs)
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To: george76

“If Barack gets past the primary,” said the Rev. Jeremiah Wright to the New York Times in April of last year, “he might have to publicly distance himself from me. I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen.”

Can some “reporter” or Hillary Chaos operative ask Barack if this quote from the New York Times/Rev. Wright is the TRUTH? If so, what did you (Barack) mean by it?

If not, he (Barack) has gone on to say enough things in his OWN words to raise awareness/insight into mind/character/agenda.


59 posted on 04/16/2008 8:48:41 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: george76
Thank you Christopher Hitchens, my favorite fair minded nonbeliever. Oriana Fallaci of course, not forgotten.
62 posted on 04/16/2008 3:35:58 PM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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