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To: GregRansom

Who cares what Obama’s Father was? He left him when he was 2 years old!!! Jesus Christ’s Father was a Jew, but Christ formed a different Church, and a different religion. Karl Marx did not come from a communistic family, he came up with those ideas on his own. Hillary Clinton’s Father was a Republican. Ronald Reagan was formerly a Democrat, and he turned into a Republican President. Mitt Rommney’s Father was a Liberal Democrat in the FDR mold, and Mitt Rommney, an arch conservative, regularly and rightly honors his Father, even though he does not agree with his politics.

This idea of trying to attack someone through their birth, their race, their family, or their Pastor (or, in the case of Ronald Reagan, judging by his past political affiliation) is idiotic at best, and disingenuous at worst. Listen to what the candidates are saying. Listen to the speeches they made before the Iraq War. Look at their voting records. If you have something good or bad to say about any of the candidates concerning THEIR OWN voting records or something they advocate in their speeches or the political positions on their websites, then say it. Otherwise, quit slicing the baloney!

Even if my father had been a Ku Klux Klansman (he wasn’t) I would still owe much to my father–our parents bring us into existence and provide us with the raw materials and DNA to build a unique person–a person who develops their own ideas, their own life, and their own politics.

Your arguments are specious and completely disingeuous. No rational intelligent person would buy the baloney you’re trying to sell. But this reminds me of the old (true) political story from Adlai Stevenson’s campaign for President many years before you were born (or “of age”). An admiring supporter gushed to Stevenson: “Why Sir, you have the vote of every thinking person in America!” To which Stevenson wryly replied “Madam, that’s not enough…I need a majority.” Not everyone in the majority is a “thinking person”

The point is that it doesn’t matter whether your Father (or Mother) was a thief or a murderer, a communist or a coward, a rogue or a notorious sinner. The tradition of both Christianity and of America is that children do not inherit the sins of their parents. The meaning of God’s gift of free will and our constitution’s guarantee of individual liberty and freedom of thought and political expression is that we aren’t judged by the sins or errors of our parents. Everyone gets a chance to rise and fall on their own merits. The twisted argument you are making is the same one they tried to make about the blind man in the New Testament. “Was it because of his parents sin that he was born blind” they asked? Christ set them straight–we are NOT punished for the sins of our parents, and we are not to judge others by what their parents may have done in the past. Every human person is a free and unique individual that should be judged on their own individual merits. If what I am saying was not true, then we would all be hopelessly dragged down by the weight of the many sins and mistakes of our ancestors–nobody could progress forward. And just because Obama honors his Father does NOT mean that he agrees with him on his political views or anything else for that matter. There’s a really great set of rules that I would recommend to you called The Ten Commandments. It’s found in both the Christian Bible and the Jewish Torah, and it is the primary basis for our judeo-christian ethics and laws. One of those commandments is “Honor Thy Father and Mother”. Note carefully that the Commandment does NOT say to honor your Father and Mother because they are good, or honor them when you agree with their politics–it simply says to honor them. As Children, we honor our parents for being our parents (just as we honor God for being our God). And if Obama chooses to honor his Father, whether in a book or otherwise, then he is simply following that particular Commandment as he understands it. Your “parents’ views=childrens’ views” argument flys in the face of that reality.


20 posted on 04/07/2008 8:55:58 PM PDT by A Recovering Republican
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To: A Recovering Republican

You’re missing the point. Its not what Obama’s father was. Its that Obama junior, according to his own words in his own book (as quoted above), wished to model himself after him. Not only that, but he was well enough aware of how extreme and unacceptable his father’s views were that he glossed over them completely. This is not someone who “honors” his father, as every child should. Its someone who wants to pick up where he left off.


22 posted on 04/07/2008 10:58:57 PM PDT by Nipfan
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To: A Recovering Republican
Mitt Rommney’s Father was a Liberal Democrat in the FDR mold, and Mitt Rommney, an arch conservative, regularly and rightly honors his Father, even though he does not agree with his politics.

Actually, George Romney was a moderate Republican. Mitt's politics were not all that different that George's either while governor of Massachusetts.

That aside, Obama's politics are so extreme going back to his days with the Joyce Foundation, that there is no need to bring his dad into this. He makes Michael Dukakis look almost moderate.

23 posted on 04/07/2008 11:40:57 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: A Recovering Republican

Since Apr 7, 2008


24 posted on 04/07/2008 11:53:20 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: A Recovering Republican
Jesus Christ’s Father was a Jew

God is Jewish?

25 posted on 04/08/2008 12:00:33 AM PDT by giotto
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To: A Recovering Republican

You win the full-of-himself and self-righteous awards today.

TROLL ALERT!


26 posted on 04/08/2008 2:32:39 AM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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To: A Recovering Republican
But if that persons father was a KKK member, or a thief or murderer, or a communist, a coward, a rogue or a notorious sinner; and that person wrote a book EXTOLLING the VIRTUES of their father, saying how much they wished to emulate their father....what would that tell you? Would pointing this out somehow be beyond the bounds of civil political discourse?

I don't see it.

I wouldn't expect a condemnation of their father from the politician, if they never really brought up their father as being a pillar of their own belief systems, but when someone says they advocate a position, it is perfectly reasonable in a Republic to LOOK at the position they are advocating.

30 posted on 04/08/2008 7:06:50 AM PDT by allmendream
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To: A Recovering Republican
Hi Ho, Hi Ho, its off the TROLL we go.

I have a very strong scent of KITTY around here just now!

Hark, what zot through yon window breaks?

Is it the east, and JulieZot the sun?

Moth, come to the flame!

34 posted on 04/09/2008 10:10:39 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing.)
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