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Townhall.com ^ | April 6, 2008 | Austin Hill

Posted on 04/07/2008 4:34:19 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: TNCMAXQ
"I forget, was McCain against ANWR drilling? If so there is another issue he can’t use."

I assume you were being facetious and you actually know the answer to that.

If not:
McCain has promised to use an Executive Order, if necessary, to put ANWR, ALL the coastal and near offshore areas, and several interior areas off limits for oil and gas exploration and extraction FOREVER.... Much like clinton did to the huge and incredibly valuable Escalante coal deposits.

Of course, Clinton did it for a good reason: Millions of dollars in bribes from the Riadys who control the next best coal reserves in the world.

McCain doesn't get any money out of his destruction of the American economy.... He just believes completely that America causes "GoreBull Warming", and wants to stop it.

21 posted on 04/07/2008 5:30:52 AM PDT by LegendHasIt (Noone/Nohow '08)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

People are frustrated. My family shells out anywhere from 2-300.00 per week for gas, it’s ridiculous and it is cutting into all other aspects of our spending. My food costs have gone up as well and it seems to be rising weekly.

However I know it’s the government that has put me in this situation. Just like you said, taxes, lack of refineries and lack of drilling our own oil. Look at this stupid ethanol bs, wait till that hits the fan. We haven’t built a refinery in 30 years. 30 years of technology, imagine how efficient and clean they would be. But NO, we’ll just keep chuggin along with our antiquated system. All the while the government and the media will be screaming at the top of their lungs it the oil companies ripping us off, riling us up. If the truth was screamed as loud as this nonsense many of those elitists in our government would be out of a job next election. Keeping us stupid is what keeps them in power.


22 posted on 04/07/2008 5:31:48 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: Boiling point
What a misguided rant?

1. Oil company eexecutives do not set their pricing, commodities traders set it.

2. Oil executives are not greedy and evil, the politicians who set the rules and regulations and make 5 times more off a gallon of fuel than the oil companies do are the greedy corrupt individuals.

The politicians then strut and shout and posture themselves before an uninformed public about how they will "demand" explanations from oil companies for the high prices they have caused by their self-serving legislation.

Now compare that to your wheelchair company and imagine everytime someone drove by your store they cursed you for your pricing over which you have no control and have been made the scapegoat for greedy popliticians whose only ambition is to placate their voters and shift the blame for their abominable actions solely onto your shoulders.

And every election cycle they are going to call you to come explain yourself to them about how you dared to make money in spite of their actions, obfuscations and mendacity.

23 posted on 04/07/2008 5:33:39 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: Caipirabob; Jet Jaguar

In the last 24 hours, there’s been about seven other FReepers who have asked for the MSWord file emailed to them. Would you folks like it, too?


24 posted on 04/07/2008 5:34:28 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: Kaslin

If I was a radio talk show host and someone called up saying they were a conservative republican I would immediately be wary. Just by the fact that this guy wants to “stick it to the oil companies” should be the tipoff this guy is a liberal who can’t admit on the air he’s a liberal.

Liberals don’t want to discuss an issue based on the merrits. They want to decieve. I’ve called some local lib radio shows. I never tried to deceive them by saying I was a liberal but... I argued the conservative/libertarian viewpoint.


25 posted on 04/07/2008 5:35:56 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Boiling point

The whole point (total economic ignorance) of this article is summed up in this post, thanks BP rarely does someone hit the nail on the head as you have/sarc.


26 posted on 04/07/2008 5:37:04 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: RandallFlagg

FRmail


27 posted on 04/07/2008 5:40:04 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Boiling point
Capitalism works well when the business owners are moral and ethical. The petroleum executives are not. If I were the only wheel chair manufacturer and held all the patents so no one could compete, it doesn’t make it OK to charge $50,000 for wheel chairs because the customers have to have it and will pay what they must. We should maybe change the catch phrase from “Compassionate Conservative” to “Compassionate Capitalist”. Except for the fact that the oil barons have no shame.

Hi John, I see you found Free Republic.

Now go away, you stinkin' commie.

28 posted on 04/07/2008 5:40:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Men fight well when they know that no prisoners will be taken.)
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To: Boiling point

What profit margin do you think the oil companies work on?


29 posted on 04/07/2008 5:44:24 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Let's win Congress - the Presidency is lost!)
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To: TNCMAXQ

“I forget, was McCain against ANWR drilling? If so there is another issue he can’t use.”

Yep, he was against it. The RINOS are also responsible for high gas prices because they’ve voted with the democrats to prevent drilling. I agree with everything you said in your post.


30 posted on 04/07/2008 5:45:39 AM PDT by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense? Don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Why do the rich guys get richer while my life gets harder is the question that needs to be answered.

Well, quite frankly, it's because the rich guys hold a firm vision in their minds that they are going to get richer in the future while the poor guys constantly think about negative outcomes and turn them into a self-fulfilling prophecy.

But no politician ever got elected by telling the public that. ;)

31 posted on 04/07/2008 5:49:37 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: sirchtruth

“You can’t have a US economy without gas! If people can’t afford it to get back and forth to work then what do we do?”

the higher the price of gas...the more we will get for our us as suppliers try to make PROFITS...
Supply and demand work when operating in a Free Market, just when alternatives such as oil sands become profitable...the Price of Oil will come way down to knock the legs out...


32 posted on 04/07/2008 5:52:23 AM PDT by Turborules
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To: N. Theknow

We have a politician here in Connecticut who recognizes that the price of oil is determined by commodities traders.

He had an unusual proposition. I’m wondering if you think it would have any effect.

He is suggesting that commodities traders would have to demonstrate that they are capable of accepting delivery of the oil that they purchased in order to be eligible to trade it.


33 posted on 04/07/2008 5:59:56 AM PDT by kidd
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To: Boiling point
I really wish you people would quit blaming the oil industry for the devaluing currency you buy petroleum products with.

Put the blame on the Bankers who gimmicked up the subprime mortgage mess and devalued your dollar.

Blame the Congress who requires ethanol as an oxygenating additive in fuel.

Put the blame on the Congress and various state legislatures who won't let the industry drill where it is highly likely to hit major finds.

But to blame the people who made the decisions to make the multibillion dollar investments in exploration, production, research, and infrastructure in a DOWN market for global demand and geopolitical unrest which NOW puts them in a position to make a profit is unadulterated moonbat crap.

To say those same people are unethical for making a whopping profit of 20% is nuts. Coca Cola does that in a good year, too.

The oil industry is a business, not a charity.

34 posted on 04/07/2008 6:04:45 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Kaslin
Here is a link to a great article ( "High Prices at the Gas Pump: NIMBYS, BANANAS and Greens") that while old, is very timely.
35 posted on 04/07/2008 6:06:14 AM PDT by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: Boiling point
Unless I've missed something in the last 30 years, there is no patent on oil -- so your comparison is silly and pointless.

Oil companies are in one of the least profitable industries in the U.S. In fact, I made the case on a thread last week that if I were a professional investor I'd be selling a lot of Exxon/Mobil stock right now.

36 posted on 04/07/2008 6:10:53 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Boiling point
We should maybe change the catch phrase from “Compassionate Conservative” to “Compassionate Capitalist”.

Anyone that uses 'capitalist' as an insult is NOT a conservative and does not understand economics.
37 posted on 04/07/2008 6:29:23 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: syriacus
"If only $50,000 wheelchairs were available, something else would have been invented to take their place."

Now there you go again, inserting economic logic into a conversation based on ignorance and hysteria. Now you just cut that out......

38 posted on 04/07/2008 6:30:10 AM PDT by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: Kaslin
I agree that the average person doesn't quite grasp the economics of high gas prices, but they have been conditioned by decades of how the "fat cats" of industry have screwed the average guy. Liberals portray "big oil" as if was 1900 and J. D. Rockefeller and a handful of his cronies personaly run "big oil".

When I explain this to my economics students I simply ask who owns "big oil"? As large stock corporations the oil companies are "owned" by pension funds, insurance companies, mutual funds, state and local governments and even little old ladies in tennis shoes. Many of my older students admitted to having 401k plans that invested in oil stocks hence they are part of "big oil". Remember too that corporate profits are already taxed twice. First they are taxed with a Federal corporate income tax at about 35% and then when dividends are distributed to stockholders we in turn pay taxes on our capital gains.

39 posted on 04/07/2008 6:32:59 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: kidd
He is suggesting that commodities traders would have to demonstrate that they are capable of accepting delivery of the oil that they purchased in order to be eligible to trade it.

That would most certainly drive the price up to $10 a gallon in no time.

And someone should ask the politician to tell them where he would "allow" the commodities traders to build storage facilities. And how long after site surveys, EPA regs, endangered species regulations, zoning, inland/wetlands surveys, etc., etc. would construction begin? IF all those things pass AND the local town politicians accept it in their backyard, would the traders be allowed to trade while all this is going on?

And would the traders have to have over 50 different storage facilities for each blend of fuel?

Someone should suggest that this politician should just take his 60+ cents per gallon state tax on fuel and stick to things he understands like why ice is cold and water is wet.

40 posted on 04/07/2008 6:35:33 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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