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Phillies: "Libertarians are not conservatives"
Third Party Watch ^ | April 6, 2008 | Unattributed

Posted on 04/06/2008 10:57:13 AM PDT by FocusNexus

From the Phillies 2008 campaign:

Libertarian Presidential candidate George Phillies today condemned claims that the Libertarian Party is a right-wing conservative Party. "Libertarians are not conservatives," Phillies said. "It is an act of fraud, a violation of our party's statement of principles, to lure conservatives to join by lying to them. Claiming our party is 'true conservative' is dishonest, and will wreck our party.

"Yes," Phillies continued, "there are issues where we agree with conservatives. There are also issues where we agree with progressive liberals. For voters: If you agree with us on issues you care about, please vote for us. If you think you trust our candidate, please vote for him. No matter if you're liberal or conservative or populist, we'd love to have your vote. But I'm not going to lie, just to get your vote."

"We real libertarians have a challenge," Phillies said. "Some conservatives pretend to be Libertarians. Fifty years ago, conservatives claimed states had a right to keep persons of color from voting. Conservatives were wrong. Now, conservatives claim states have a right to keep women from having abortions. That claim is the same old racist Jim-Crow states' rights doctrine. It's still wrong. Our Constitution's 14th Amendment makes things crystal clear. If Congress isn't allowed to do it, neither are individual states.

Phillies urged fellow Libertarians to be prepared. "Yes, we have challenges. But we're up against the Bush Republican War Party, and that's a huge advantage. Just don't let conservatives take over our party. America already has two conservative parties, Republican and Constitution. We shouldn't become the third."


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This is especially for conservatives who think voting Libertarian in the general election is a good idea.
1 posted on 04/06/2008 10:57:13 AM PDT by FocusNexus
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To: FocusNexus

Well DUH!!


2 posted on 04/06/2008 10:59:24 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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To: FocusNexus
Libertarian Presidential candidate George Phillies today condemned claims that the Libertarian Party is a right-wing conservative Party. "Libertarians are not conservatives," Phillies said. "It is an act of fraud, a violation of our party's statement of principles, to lure conservatives to join by lying to them. Claiming our party is 'true conservative' is dishonest, and will wreck our party.

According to many Libertarians, you're wrong, George. Now, go away.
3 posted on 04/06/2008 11:00:22 AM PDT by arderkrag (Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
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To: FocusNexus
>This is especially for conservatives who think voting Libertarian in the general election is a good idea

I have no intention of voting for the libers, but...

If you think you trust our candidate, please vote for him. No matter if you're liberal or conservative or populist, we'd love to have your vote.
But I'm not going to lie, just to get your vote.”

I agree with that statement 100%.
If all politicians were of like mind, the country would be fine.
Sadly, they are not. far from it.

4 posted on 04/06/2008 11:03:06 AM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: FocusNexus
I wouldn't wote 3rd party because it's a wasted vote, but I would be totally comfortable with a Ron Paul presidency, and I would be far more comfortable with a libertarian (either small or big "L") in the White House than McCain.
5 posted on 04/06/2008 11:04:46 AM PDT by southern rock
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To: FocusNexus
Libertarians are not conservatives

Neither are Republicans, it seems.
6 posted on 04/06/2008 11:06:23 AM PDT by wolfpat (If you don't like the Patriot Act, you're really gonna hate Sharia Law.)
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To: FocusNexus
At this point I think the Libers are closer to the Conservative movement than the mainstream Reps party. Never thought I would say that but on positions the Reps have moved so far from Conservatives it is scary. Part of Ron Paul’s success is because the Reps have moved so far from the right side. He is Liber on some issues.
7 posted on 04/06/2008 11:10:24 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: bill1952

Waiting for some conservatives to start insulting libertarians as dope smokers and the like... Reasonable people should be able to figure out that you might not want to insult someone whose vote you want. Of course that won’t stop the true believers.

Life is such that you aren’t going to get 100% of what you want. It is rational to make common cause with others to get more of what you want than you would otherwise. You want to give people reasons to change their minds, then that might work, but without respect, it’s never going to happen.

Flame on.


8 posted on 04/06/2008 11:11:34 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: FocusNexus

Phillies suck!!!

Mets in 2008!!!!


9 posted on 04/06/2008 11:11:48 AM PDT by frankiep (Democrats base their ideology on the premise that you are too stupid to do anything for yourself.)
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To: FocusNexus

Better to vote for a libertarian who believe in smaller Gov’t than a Fabianist.


10 posted on 04/06/2008 11:12:24 AM PDT by BGHater ($2300 is the limit of your Free Speech.)
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To: wolfpat

More is the pity. Most little “l” libertarians could live with that better than big government RINOs in charge as is now the case.


11 posted on 04/06/2008 11:12:44 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: FocusNexus
The word conservative means different things to different people. Some libertarians consider themselves conservatives. Some don't. I look at the issues, and make my voting decision based on that.

For me, it's the Supreme Court that matters, and because of that Obama/Hillary must lose.

12 posted on 04/06/2008 11:12:52 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: FocusNexus

Former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura has been quoted that he is a libertarian:

“Sure. I am a libertarian. I’ve taken the libertarian exam and scored perfect on it. There’s this 10 question quiz that the Libertarian Party puts out. They give you 30, 20, or 10 points depending on how you answer the questions. I’ve gotten all 30’s.”
— Reason Magazine April 1999, page 44.

“How could those buildings fall at the speed of gravity - if you put a stopwatch on them both of those World Trade Center buildings were on the ground in ten seconds - how can that be?” asked Ventura. “Never before in the annals of history has a fire caused a steel structure building to fall to the ground like these two did.”
— Jesse Ventura, April 2008, Alex Jones Show


13 posted on 04/06/2008 11:14:07 AM PDT by donna (Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.)
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To: RKV

Excellent post! It’s ashame there aren’t more here who think like that.


14 posted on 04/06/2008 11:14:10 AM PDT by frankiep (Democrats base their ideology on the premise that you are too stupid to do anything for yourself.)
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To: Darren McCarty

That is the hopeful position. Then of course Bush Sr. gave us Souter.


15 posted on 04/06/2008 11:14:28 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: FocusNexus

Yea, DUH!!!!


16 posted on 04/06/2008 11:15:28 AM PDT by svcw (I reject your reality and substitute my own.)
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To: FocusNexus

They are not conservatives, but they are whack jobs.....


17 posted on 04/06/2008 11:16:21 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: frankiep

Same approach can work with some reasonable Democrats too. Like Reagan did. Demonstrate why policies are in their own enlightened self interest and you might gain some allies. Not all to be sure. Hopefully enough.


18 posted on 04/06/2008 11:17:30 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Drango

That’s going to convince a lot of libertarians to support us. Yeah, insulting people you disagree with is going to help. The RATs that is.


19 posted on 04/06/2008 11:18:43 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV
That’s going to convince a lot of libertarians to support us....

Yawnnnnnnn....losertarians don't listen to anything other than the radio beams broadcasted into their heads. Trust me...insults work better than reason with these nut jobs.


20 posted on 04/06/2008 11:24:10 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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