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It isn't Genocide When You're Killing a Class of People
The Virginian/NRO ^ | 4/6/2008 | Moneyrunner

Posted on 04/06/2008 8:29:50 AM PDT by moneyrunner

Jonah Goldberg comments on the Russian Duma's defense of the mass starvation of Russian farmers in the Ukraine in 1932-33. They deny claims of genocide by saying that the millions who died were of all ethnic classes.

"There is no historical proof that the famine was organized along ethnic lines. Its victims were million of citizens of the Soviet Union, representing different peoples and nationalities living largely in agricultural areas of the country," the Russian State Duma resolution said.

(Excerpt) Read more at corner.nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: genocide; stalin; starvation; ukraine
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Renowned writer and Soviet-era dissident Alexander Solzhenitsyn backed the Kremlin line... This is distressing.
1 posted on 04/06/2008 8:29:51 AM PDT by moneyrunner
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To: moneyrunner

“The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.”
-J. Stalin


2 posted on 04/06/2008 8:38:49 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, ATF and DEA.)
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To: moneyrunner

OK, so it was just mass murder without a fancy name.


3 posted on 04/06/2008 8:40:07 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Alouette

Under the UN’s definition of genocide, this does not qualify. Kulaks were not a people. This was state-organized mass murder. Liberals have killed millions in Africa by banning DDT.


4 posted on 04/06/2008 9:07:08 AM PDT by Judges Gone Wild
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To: moneyrunner
'The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers'.
William Shakespeare, Henry VI (Act IV, Scene II).

5 posted on 04/06/2008 9:09:41 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: moneyrunner

So Democrats are off the hook for genocide?


6 posted on 04/06/2008 9:11:18 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: moneyrunner
...If you are a Marxist you generally consider race, ethnicity and nationality to be mere epiphenomena, absurd and archaic categories of the Old Order, right? And, you believe that class is an enduring category of humanity, more "real" than mere ethnicity, right? So by your own definitions, isn't slaughtering a whole class of people a form of genocide or attempted genocide?

Quite a Russian pretzel of logic Mr Goldberg untwists there.

Attacking people for their class is a bad as attacking them for their race; the Left has made a living out of it.

7 posted on 04/06/2008 9:12:19 AM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (Will the AmericanHating Rev Wright be Barack Hussein Obama's ambassador to Iran?)
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To: moneyrunner

Mass death is the whole and entire purpose of socialism.

Whether the victims are chosen by genotype, social status, or eye-glass wearing; in the end it doesn’t matter.

Finally, it’s just death for the sake of killing, whether by gunshots, starvation, or poisoned koolaid.

This is the unspeakable secret of the 20th century - that the power to liquidate masses of people is the chief and defining power of the contemporary state.

Welcome to the 21st century, in which things will probably get worse.


8 posted on 04/06/2008 9:16:55 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: headsonpikes
Read Harvest Of Sorrow," by Robert Conquest.
9 posted on 04/06/2008 9:24:27 AM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: moneyrunner

Class-o-cide?


10 posted on 04/06/2008 9:27:13 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: moneyrunner

What if they are poeple without class such as the Hollyweird types and/or RATs?


11 posted on 04/06/2008 9:41:33 AM PDT by fella (Is he al-taquiya or is he murtadd? Only his iman knows for sure.)
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To: moneyrunner
Image hosted by Photobucket.com sure... kill the rich and eat them and guess what???

the MIDDLE CLASS BECOMES THE RICH!!!

that's when their days become numbered.

12 posted on 04/06/2008 9:43:25 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: moneyrunner
In the last century leftists murdered hundreds of millions..
The next cnetury will produce several BULLION murdered.,.
The Religion of Death is NOT the Muslims...

Its the leftists.. They have zero problem with the murder of most all Muslims..
Looks they are building a case for just that currently..
Once the Worlds leftists have "driven" the Muslims to nuke CITYS..

Then the fat is in the fire..
The worlds leftists will cry out for wholesale murder.. OPENLY..
Instead of privately, like NOW..

13 posted on 04/06/2008 9:45:38 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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Christianity not class is why the Soviets starved the Ukrainians.


14 posted on 04/06/2008 10:11:39 AM PDT by Mogollon (Vote straight GOP for congress....our only protection against Obama-Clinton, or McCain.)
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To: moneyrunner

Typical liberal semantics distraction... quibble about the titles and names while ignoring the issues. That’s the same thing they do with immigration (”You can’t call them illegal!!”), WMDs (”Saddam’s older chemical weapons don’t count!”), race relations (”Blacks can’t be called racists!”), social program budgets (”A reduced increase is a decrease!”), etc.


15 posted on 04/06/2008 10:32:51 AM PDT by Teacher317 (Thank you Dith Pran for showing us what Communism brings)
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To: Alouette
Definitely mass murder ~ state organized ~ which is very much like many other European famines.

Not all mass murders need a special name, nor does a special name make murder more or less palatable.

16 posted on 04/06/2008 11:00:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: headsonpikes
"Mass death is the whole and entire purpose of socialism."

Amen.

My question is this: why, then, are most American parents just dropping their kids off at government indoctrination centers that teach them to be socialists. Then, to add insult to injury, they go into debt to send these kids to college for more socialistic training. To be indentured servants for the rest of their lives?

I'm running into Americans, now, who just say, "yeah, I'm a socialist, what about it?"

Huh?

I guess when this article talks about "history", it's the rewritten variety. Mass murder is mass murder.

Oh, I just skimmed the Gulag Archipelago -- did you note that it's full of petty bureacrats, getting over on the poor souls they send to "reeducations camps" (i.e., forced labor camps), or to be executed or raped or whatever, because the poor fool wouldn't bend to their personal, petty wishes? Yet, the torturers and cruel bureaucrats all talk in "bureacrat-ese", where, on the record, it sounds all righteous.

E.g., Bureaucrat: "Since you have failed to demonstrate your complete fealty to the government, we will have to provide re-education and rehabilitation from your state of rebellion and treason."

Translation: "You wouldn't move in with me, and so I'm sending to be continually gang-raped as the camp guards' sex slave." It's that ridiculous.

We never learn, do we?

17 posted on 04/06/2008 11:22:39 AM PDT by elk
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To: JimRed
Class-o-cide?

Class warfare. The Dims excel at it.

18 posted on 04/06/2008 12:09:31 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: headsonpikes
Mass death is the whole and entire purpose of socialism.

It shows how much they "care."

19 posted on 04/06/2008 12:11:31 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Nuthin’ says lovin’ like putting people in the oven.


20 posted on 04/06/2008 1:29:02 PM PDT by TrueKnightGalahad (When you're racing...it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.)
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