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Attorney general to lesbian couple: No such thing as 2 biological mothers
YNet ^ | Apr. 6, 2008 | Aviram Zino

Posted on 04/06/2008 7:00:16 AM PDT by Alouette

Attorney general to lesbian couple: No such thing as 2 biological mothers

Lesbian woman who served as egg donor to partner demands recognition as child’s biological mother, Mazuz refuses, recommends in opinion that the couple settle for adoption

Aviram Zino Published: 04.06.08, 15:24 / Israel News

A lesbian couple, one member of which donated an egg for insemination while the other carried the child to term, recenty petitioned the Tel Aviv Family Court to receive joint recognition as the child’s biological parents.

An opinion written by Attorney General Menachem Mazuz, obtained by Ynet Sunday, revealed, however, that he strenuously objects to the whole notion of “joint biological parenthood”. Mazuz recommended that only the birth mother be recognized as the child’s parent, while the egg donor settle for formal adoption.

Both women were married in a Conservative ceremony, and had undergone the joint parenting process with the Health Ministry’s approval. Their son was born 10 months ago, but the Interior Ministry refused to register them both as the child’s biological parents. The couple then proceeded to petition the court for such recognition.

A letter submitted by the Tel Aviv District Attorney’s Office at the attorney general’s behest, noted that “the Ministry of Health sanction granted to the couple cannot serve as a precedent. Since an anonymous sperm donor was involved in the child’s conception, the applicants must undertake a formal adoption process to be recognized as the child’s parents.”

‘For the child’s own good’

In their petition, the applicants claimed that the biological and legal right to parenthood is a fundamental human right. It is in the child’s best interest, they noted, to be legally recognized as the biological son of both his birth mother and her partner, both from an emotional standpoint, as well as financially.

Attorney Na’ma Tzoref, legal council for the couple, stated “respectfully my clients and I cannot concur with the attorney general’s opinion, which undermines the principles of equality, human dignity and the right to parenthood. Mazuz’s opinion is unsubstantiated and fails to address the applicants' claims.”

“The last word in this matter has most definitely not been uttered, “ said Tzoref. “I have full faith in the Israeli justice system which has done much to make the State of Israel into a more egalitarian and enlightened society. It is ultimately up to the court to examine this manner and render its verdict.”

Attorney Tzoref further noted “I am very optimistic about this case. Mazuz’s opinion, which urges adoption, is incongruent with basic facets governing the Israeli justice system.

"In adoption cases the state typically examines whether the applicant is fit to be an adoptive parent. However, since in this case the adoptive parent is also the child’s biological parent, can the state make such a determination? Is this not unnecessary meddling by the state in these individual’s lives?” she said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: homosexualadoption; homosexualagenda; ivf; twomommies
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Somebody in the Israeli justice system actually gets it. I feel faint.
1 posted on 04/06/2008 7:03:02 AM PDT by Alouette
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FReepMail to be added or removed from this pro-Israel/Judaic/Russian Jewry ping list.

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2 posted on 04/06/2008 7:03:33 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: wagglebee

homo agenda ping


3 posted on 04/06/2008 7:03:55 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Alouette

“In the child’s best interest” it would be better to remove the child from that environment.


4 posted on 04/06/2008 7:07:24 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (The fence is "absolutely not the answer" - Gov. Rick Perry (R, TX))
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To: Alouette
Both women were married in a Conservative ceremony

Orthodox Wedding: The bride's mother is pregnant

Conservative Wedding: The bride is pregnant

Reform Wedding: The rabbi is pregnant.

5 posted on 04/06/2008 7:11:37 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Alouette
> Both women were married in a Conservative ceremony,

Ehhh? I don't understand. If that is Conservatism, I would hate to see what a Liberal marriage ceremony might entail. The mind boggles! Would it involve marriage to animals? Plant life? Imaginary friends? Space Aliens? Multiple partners of various persuasions???

My brain just exploded!
6 posted on 04/06/2008 7:12:31 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Polybius

Reconstructionist Wedding: the groom is pregnant.


7 posted on 04/06/2008 7:15:53 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Alouette
It ain't over till it's over. The couple still has the option to go to court for a favorable ruling. This was just the AG's opinion.

Whether it's over there or here in the U.S. or anywhere, the perverters of the social order never give up. They dig in, keep prodding and suing.......and will wait for decades for favorable rulings while the upholders of religion, morals and social mores eventually let down their guards or go to sleep.

Sooner of later, these types of social order rearrangements will happen here and the participlants will seek affirmations in our justice system.

Remember, upwards of two or three Supreme Court judges will be appointed in the coming years and will be most certainly sitting on the bench for decades.

Abstain from voting in November at your peril....and ours.

Leni

8 posted on 04/06/2008 7:16:03 AM PDT by MinuteGal (I Love My Country More Than I Dislike John McCain)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

I think by “conservative” they meant “without a lot of expensive hoopla.”


9 posted on 04/06/2008 7:16:34 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Who's worried about the Bolsheviks? They couldn't be worse than the Tsar!)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
I think by “conservative” they meant “without a lot of expensive hoopla.”

"Conservative" is the oxymoronic name of a denomination in Judaism that is the opposite of "Conservative."

10 posted on 04/06/2008 7:18:01 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Alouette

Bzzziiinnnggg... Tell it like it is.


11 posted on 04/06/2008 7:21:16 AM PDT by shekkian
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To: Alouette

I have no problem with both women being listed as parents on the childs birth certificate.

For the child’s sake, though, all parents should be listed for what their contirbutions were; this would end a lot of the confusion in the future. Credit goes where credit is due. The child would have a biological record of parentage.

Example:

Biolical mother (contributor of egg)_________________
Surrogate mother (she who carried the child to term ______
Woman who is listed as financial sponsor for 18 + years_____________________________
Biological father (Sperm contributor)___________
Father who is listed as financial sponsor for 18 + yrs
_____________________________

I recommend this system on all birth certificates. This would allow for extra genetic donors for your mix and match, crazy quilt children.


12 posted on 04/06/2008 7:23:08 AM PDT by yellow rubber ducky (One day I realized I am living in Bizarro world.)
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To: Alouette

“An opinion written by Attorney General Menachem Mazuz, obtained by Ynet Sunday, revealed, however, that he strenuously objects to the whole notion of “joint biological parenthood”. Mazuz recommended that only the birth mother be recognized as the child’s parent, while the egg donor settle for formal adoption.”

I would have opined just the opposite. The egg donor is the biological parent, not the one who gave birth.


13 posted on 04/06/2008 7:36:00 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Alouette
It is now possible in labs to convert an egg into a sperm. It creates the possibility of making men obsolete by yielding all female offspring that have 2 biological mothers.

What's on a birth certificate then?

14 posted on 04/06/2008 7:40:44 AM PDT by varyouga ("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
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To: sageb1
I agree with you. The child's DNA is from the egg donor. His ruling would make all hired surrogates the biological mother.
15 posted on 04/06/2008 7:43:42 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Alouette

Right. And there’s ONE father. That’s the way we are made. Oh, and another thing, the word “biological” is not needed when speaking of mother or father.

When speaking of fake things another word IS needed. Sperm donor. Womb renter.


16 posted on 04/06/2008 7:43:57 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Alouette
"In adoption cases the state typically examines whether the applicant is fit to be an adoptive parent. However, since in this case the adoptive parent is also the child’s biological parent, can the state make such a determination? Is this not unnecessary meddling by the state in these individual’s lives?” she said.

All the attorney general's opinion does is muddle the issue since he follows the traditional holding that the woman giving birth to the child is obviously it's biological mother. This is obviously NOT the case here.

Following the logic presented by the lesbian couple's attorney, it is the Birth Mother who must formally adopt since she has no proveable biological (DNA)connection to the child. The biological parents of the child are the egg-donating lesbian mother and the anonymous sperm-donating male. All the birth mother did is provide the recepticle the fertilized egg developed to maturity in. She has no more biological connection to the child than the village women in India who are currently carrying the fertilized eggs of western couples to term for a fee.

(BTW, I assume both the women are Jewish so there can at least be no dispute as to whether or not the child is Jewish under Jewish law.)

17 posted on 04/06/2008 7:46:48 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
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To: Alouette
Both women were married in a Conservative ceremony,

There's the problem. Solomon Schechter' chickens come home to roost.

18 posted on 04/06/2008 7:47:04 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Alouette

Attorney general to lesbian couple: No such thing as 2 biological mothers

the piaps better explain it to huma!!!


19 posted on 04/06/2008 8:03:19 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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To: Alouette

I am sure hamas loves this stuff


20 posted on 04/06/2008 8:22:14 AM PDT by lookout88 (Combat search and rescue officer's dad.)
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