I Said:
Can you, or can you not show where Polygamy is condemned in the Bible, don't jump to Joseph, don't jump to the Book of Mormon, stick to the bible and answer the question. you won't because you can't Jesus condemns Divorce, but not polygamy, The Bible condemns adultery, not polygamy (Moses was polygamous while writing the prohibition on adultery) The bible simply does not say what you say it says...
U Said:
I can show you where monogamy is commanded in the Bible. Can you show me where polygamy is specifically approved or commanded in the Bible?
Cool! Finally someone is going to actually answer the question, I'd love to see it, please remember two things in a plural marriage, both Wives are referred to as wife, and the word marriage as far as I have been able to ascertain is both singular and plural, and those are both by their use in the Bible.
That said, I'd love to see your proof.
U Said:
You said previously in this thread that Polygamy is Biblical and moral. Do you think the Bible approves of everything it narrates?
No, I don't.
U Said:
How many ribs of Adam were used, anyway?
Just one, but then we could also talk of fishes and loaves, Chuckle.
For the purposes of this discussion, I am perfectly willing to stick to scripture and ignore the Lilith tradition I had to bring in when "faced" with "tradition" as an argument, Adam only had one wife, OK?
U Said:
In your opinion, assuming for the sake of argument the general story line, are some of the FLDS men and women guilty of polygamy, or committing adultery and fornication?
That is an interesting question, far above the usual for this thread, and that depends on which law you want to look at.
The law of the land (secular law) has outlawed polygamy, so they are definitely secularly guilty of polygamy, even though we have yet to have a prohibition of it from God.
Adultery is not illegal (secular law), but in God's law it is forbidden. in order to have sex and not be guilty of either adultery or fornication, you have to be "Legally and Lawfully married" but legally and lawfully according to which law? I wish the two were the same, but they are not. So my response as I posted on the Link from
My page, I think the marriage has to be recognized by Both Secular Law and God's Law, thus the people in Texas were not Legally married, thus it was also adultery.
With my reasoning now clearly (I hope) visible, all the above, but by different laws. Diamond, your post is surprisingly diamond in this bed of Coal, I have been slogging through, thank you.
Cool! Finally someone is going to actually answer the question, I'd love to see it, please remember two things in a plural marriage, both Wives are referred to as wife, and the word marriage as far as I have been able to ascertain is both singular and plural, and those are both by their use in the Bible. You didn't say anything about where polygamy is specifically approved or commanded in the Bible, which is one of the questions I asked you. Nevertheless, I said I could show you where monogamy is speciifcally approved or commanded in the Bible. MEGoody already showed them to you. Here they are again:
1 Timothy 3:2 "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach" 1 Timothy 3:12 "Let deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well."
Titus 1:5-6 "For this reason I left you in Crete, that you should set in order the things that are lacking, and appoint elders in every city as I commanded you — if a man is blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of dissipation or insubordination."
Now, can you show me statements at least as direct as those approving or commanding polygamy in the Bible?
Adultery is not illegal (secular law), but in God's law it is forbidden. in order to have sex and not be guilty of either adultery or fornication, you have to be "Legally and Lawfully married" but legally and lawfully according to which law? I wish the two were the same, but they are not...
Just as an aside, adultery is still illegal in some states; it's just not enforced very often. But I'm curious about your statement that you wish the two (laws) were the same. Where they are the same, aren't polygamous relations the committing of fornication or adultery? And if, God forbid, the Supreme Court were to someday strike down state laws against bigamy and polygamy, would the very same sort of sexual relations with multiple partners that these FLDS people are enaged in no longer be the committing of fornication or adultery?
Cordially,