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To: wagglebee
U Said: Under YOUR system, Christ COULD change His mind and the verses are silent on the will of the Holy Spirit.

Have you heard of Nineveh, how about Jonah, God changed his mind, right here. U Said: So, you are saying that Christ came to America and failed?

The apostasy foretold in the Bible was world wide, so yes, just like he "Failed" in Jerusalem. however, God knowing all and existing outside of time just had all this as part of his plan.

I Said: the Urim and Thummim are still used by the prophet of the church today.

U Said: What are they "used" for?

The same things they were used for by Aaron and the priest in olden days, the receiving of revelation used to guide the church.

I Said: Why did Constantine (a pagan) call the council to decide God's definition?

U Said: As emperor he convened it, he did not influence the council.

I Said: Why was this pagan allowed to set the agenda for God's church?

U Said: He didn't set any agenda.

That's not what the records of the catholic church sayhere. I did give the link as part of the question, I want to know what you think about the records disagreeing with the "party line"

U Said: There is a vast difference between definition and revelation.

Yes there is, if you can redefine what the words of a given relation mean, then you have changed God's words into man's words. The first is of immeasurable value, the second is worthless.

U Said: The Church needed to devine what it had always believed, some who claimed to be teaching the Gospel were incorrect.

From my perspective, you have to understand, the wrong side won, the side spear headed by an emperor who didn't care if the doctrine was true, he just cared if he could use it to unify his empire, even if that meant bending this new religion a bit to make it fit. The document of the even as the catholic church records it makes this clear, go and read it, it's not that long.

Over all, I'd give your answers a D- you tried but you did not actually read the article the questions were based on... Want a mulligan?
2,226 posted on 04/10/2008 3:20:08 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser
Over all, I'd give your answers a D- you tried but you did not actually read the article the questions were based on...

Just like your Founder and subsequent leaders didn't read....


 
 

TRUTH IGNORED
 
 

Smith, Young, Taylor, Pratt, Snow, Kimbal,l Woodruff ...

 
 
 

 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
 
 
1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
 
 
 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.




 
BEHOLD!!!!  The Restorative Power  of the Book of Mormon!!
 



 
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
 
  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
 
 

2,243 posted on 04/10/2008 3:52:20 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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