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To: McCoMo
The bible only yardstick tells me that God does not speak to man, and that His work is done, and has been for 2000 years. That is not the pattern of the Scriptures. God has always spoken to his servants, and they have written it down. That is the history of the Bible for thousands of years. The pattern is clear, and God is not dead. He is the same as He has always been.

He will indeed come in glory as he left those men in Galilee. In the meantime, he leads and guides the affairs of His kingdom on earth, and will return to Jerusalem one day to stand on Olivet and redeem Israel.

1,041 posted on 04/07/2008 3:22:55 PM PDT by sevenbak (1 Corinthians 2:14)
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To: sevenbak

Depends on if, 2000 years ago, he said all that was necessary to say. Any questions one might come up with, even today, can be found in the words he has already given us in the Bible. Who are we to demand that he continue to answer the same questions, over and over, just because we rephrase them and are too dense to recognize the answers he has already given?

If you want to speak of “patterns” then one would have to ask, “Why does not God speak to mankind nearly daily, in an actual voice that all can hear resounding in the skies, since that was the pattern throughout the first part of Genesis?”

To expect God to speak to us on OUR time schedule is hubris and pride. Might it not also be that the reason God no longer speaks to us like that is because he has already stated all that needs to be said, and is now testing us to see how we will hold to our faith? If you require that he speak on a regular basis, then that is a test that you would fail.


1,047 posted on 04/07/2008 3:31:20 PM PDT by McCoMo
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To: sevenbak

God has always spoken to his servants, and they have written it down. That is the history of the Bible for thousands of years. The pattern is clear, and God is not dead. He is the same as He has always been.
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That is true...

Jesus, who is God is Alive...

And promised he would send the Holy Spirit to be a Comforter, a guide, and teacher..

That’s why Jesus sent the Holy Spirit...

Remember, the third member of the Trinity..

Jhn 16:1 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.

Jhn 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

Jhn 16:3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

Jhn 16:4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.

Jhn 16:5 ¶ But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?

Jhn 16:6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.

Jhn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Jhn 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

Jhn 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

Jhn 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

Jhn 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

Jhn 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Jhn 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.

Jhn 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.

Jhn 16:16 ¶ A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

Jhn 16:17 Then said [some] of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father?

Jhn 16:18 They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little while? we cannot tell what he saith.

Jhn 16:19 Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye enquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me?

Jhn 16:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.

Jhn 16:21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.

Jhn 16:22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.

Jhn 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give [it] you.

Jhn 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

Jhn 16:25 ¶ These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.

Jhn 16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:

Jhn 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

Jhn 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

Jhn 16:29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.

Jhn 16:30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.

Jhn 16:31 Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?

Jhn 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

Jhn 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. John 16:1-33

Who would want to be satisfied with a weak puny lying man when they can have God, the Holy Spirit speak to them ????


1,083 posted on 04/07/2008 5:55:40 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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