Posted on 04/06/2008 5:27:22 AM PDT by SkyPilot
Local and state officials entered the temple of a secretive polygamist sect late Saturday, said lawmen blockading the road to the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado.
The action comes hours after local prosecutors said officials were preparing for the worst because a group of FLDS members were resisting efforts to search the structure.
The Texas Department of Public Safety trooper and Schleicher County sheriff’s deputy confirmed that officials have entered the temple but said they had no word on whether anything occurred in the effort.
The incursion into the temple caps the three-day saga of the state’s Child Protective Services agency removing at least 183 women and children from the YFZ Ranch since Friday afternoon. Eighteen girls have been placed in state custody since a 16-year-old told authorities she was married to a 50-year-old man and had given birth to his child.
Saturday evening, ambulances were brought in, said Allison Palmer, who as first assistant 51st District attorney, would prosecute any felony crimes uncovered as part of the investigation inside the compound.
“In preparing for entry to the temple, law enforcement is preparing for the worst,” Palmer said Saturday evening. They want to have “medical personnel on hand in case this were to go in a way that no one wants.”
Apparently as a result of action Saturday night at the ranch, about 10:15 p.m. Saturday, a Schleicher County school bus unloaded another group of at least a dozen more women and children from the compound.
Although members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or FLDS, have provided varying degrees of cooperation to the sheriff’s deputies and Texas Rangers searching the compound, all cooperation stopped once authorities tried to search the gleaming white temple that towers over the West Texas scrub, Palmer said.
“There may be those who would oppose (entry) by placing themselves between law enforcement and the place of worship,” Palmer said Saturday afternoon. “If an agreement cannot be reached … law enforcement will have to — as gently and peaceably as possible — make entry into that place.”
Sect members consider the temple, dedicated by then-leader of the sect Warren Jeffs in January 2005 and finished many months later, off-limits to those who are not FLDS members, said Palmer, who prosecutes felony cases in Schleicher County.
Palmer said she didn’t know the size or makeup of the group inside the temple.
The earlier refusal to provide access was even more disconcerting because CPS investigators have yet to identify the 16-year-old girl or her roughly 8-month-old baby among the dozens removed from the compound, Palmer said.
“Anytime someone says, ‘Don’t look here,’” she said, “it makes you concerned that’s exactly where you need to look.”
The girl told authorities in two separate phone calls a day apart that she was married to a 50-year-old man, Dale Barlow, who had fathered her child, Palmer said.
The joint raid included the Texas Rangers, CPS, Schleicher County and Tom Green County sheriff’s deputies and game wardens from the Texas Department of Parks and Wildlife.
Although CPS and Department of Public Safety officials have described the compound’s residents as cooperative, Palmer disagreed.
“Things have been a little tense, a little volatile,” she said.
Authorities removed 52 children Friday afternoon and 131 women and children overnight Friday. About 40 of the children are boys, said CPS spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner.
No further children have been taken into state custody since Friday, when 18 girls were judged to have been abused or be at imminent risk for abuse. CPS has found foster homes for the girls, Meisner said, and will place them after concluding its investigation.
Meisner declined to comment on the fate of the 119 other children and said authorities were still searching the ranch for others Saturday evening.
“They’re in the process of looking,” she said. “They’re literally about halfway through.”
You are the one who start the insulting you step on one toes and you think they are to say thank you!
I have no clue if you are drinking are what because your personality goes flies into a rage and than you seem socialable I never know who I will talk to Dr Jackal or Mr Hyde
No problem!
Eighteen girls have been placed in state custody since a 16-year-old told authorities she was married to a 50-year-old man and had given birth to his child.
She bore the child last year. There's a fair chance she was impregnated when she was 14.
This does bear looking into.
No.. what I have a problem with is sanctimonious, self-righteous idiots, who do not know me but who presume to be able to judge me or others. Those who think they have it ALL figured out, with regards to God, would be amusing if they were not so annoying.
To paraphrase Socrates - The only thing I KNOW is that I KNOW nothing.. and barely that.
One can only go on by how you treat others!
This has nothing to do with sanctimonious, self-righteous you are reading more in the question than was met you never gave acknowledgment when I tried to clarified, but you did seem in your demeanor to be more cordial and than you flew off again!
You presumed I was going to tell you how or something and never gave me a chance to share with you but acted mean spirited!
I read enough of your position in the posts you made to others to know where you are coming from... and you did not help your case by asking such questions as whether or not I thought I was morally pure (as if I ever implied such a thing OR as if it were any of your business). So yeah, IMO you are sanctimonious and self-righteous, and I have no use for people such as that. Who do YOU think you are to tell others a manner in which to follow the word of God more closely.. especially others who did not even ask you? Perhaps rather than worry overmuch about the state of other peoples souls, you would profit more from worrying about your own.
Ya may as well find someone else to speak to... as far as I am concerned, I am wasting my time even reading your posts.
Good luck in your life. I hope it all works out well for you.
Great Socrates quote.
You read me when I am in the cross hairs of the same old foes and you think from that you can judge I hope in that kind of situation I can reflect beyond that!
I think you say those words because you are shy to really know what I was going to say!
Posted by McCoMo to Admin Moderator
On 04/06/2008 10:25:49 AM PDT · 293 of 649
Knock WHAT off? Being critical of the stupid manner in which authorities handled the situation? Or pointing out the truth that different denominations are in competition with each other?
Yeah, I'd love to read an expose of the cult welfare cheats and their teenage "brides". It looks like our tax dollars at work...
Do these people have any idea at all how disgusting they are to the rest of us?
CPS cases are different than what we're used to on Court TV...
You'll never see a CPS Court Hearing on Court TV...they're completely confidential...
There will be no jury at the Hearing tomorrow in the Juvenile Dependency Court...
The children will all be appointed an attorney...
The mothers will be appointed an attorney...
The fathers, if any are present, will have to establish paternity. If they satisfy the Judge that they are worthy of Presumed Father status, they too will be appointed an attorney...
It is highly unlikely that the Baptist insignia on some of the buses will even be discussed...by any of the lawyers present...
CPS by now has already filed their Petitions in the Court. At the Hearing, CPS will have to establish that the children taken into Protective Custody were subjected to abuse or neglect, or in imminent danger of abuse or neglect, according to the specific provisions of the laws cited in the CPS Petitions. In other words, CPS must establish a prima facie case.
If the Judge decides that CPS has failed to establish a prima facie case, the case will be Dismissed & each case Child returned to parental custody then & there. That parent will have to provide transportation thereafter...I doubt that the Baptist Church buses will be available them without a fee...if at all...
If the Judge decides that CPS has established a prima facie case, Orders will issue as to how CPS should place the children temporarily until the next Hearing...
This judicial process may go on for months or years, leading eventually to either adoption of each case Child, reunification of the case Child with his or her parent or parents, or emancipation each case Child when that Child turns 18...
Who do YOU think you are to tell others a manner in which to follow the word of God more closely.. especially others who did not even ask you? Perhaps rather than worry overmuch about the state of other peoples souls, you would profit more from worrying about your own.
The reason I asked such a question was because something I felt in one of your post when you so hard hitting on Mormon in general for some reason it hit a nerve and I got an impression you are so quick to tell the LDS how to live what about yourself!
Who do YOU think you are to tell others a manner in which to follow the word of God more closely.. especially others who did not even ask you? Perhaps rather than worry overmuch about the state of other peoples souls, you would profit more from worrying about your own.
To: restornu
And people are welcome to follow heretical paths too. It is called Free Will. You can choose Truth or not.
494 posted on 04/06/2008 6:19:41 PM EDT by McCoMo
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To: McCoMo
The Spirit of the Lord has witness to me, thank you!
503 posted on 04/06/2008 6:27:02 PM EDT by restornu
To: restornu
Perhaps. But many others have thought the same.. such as Reverend Jim Jones.
506 posted on 04/06/2008 6:30:59 PM EDT by McCoMo
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To: McCoMo
So are you morally clean?
512 posted on 04/06/2008 6:52:13 PM EDT by restornu
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To: restornu
Did I make such a claim?
As far as I know, I am a sinner.. just as everyone else is.. including YOU.
516 posted on 04/06/2008 6:55:09 PM EDT by McCoMo
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To: McCoMo
Sorry I should have rephrased that
Do you strive to be morally clean?
meaning there is clean and there is clean
To some they keep abide by the commandments to always be faithful and no sex before marraige this is the walk for a Chirstian which many did strive to do in my day.
Than there are those who feel you can listen to raunchy jokes etc along as you did not do those things.
Also man is plagued with unwanted thoughts which if one is reading their criptures are able to push away those thoughts.
So there are degrees of which one is will to abide by it all depends on the desire or if one believes they can uphold?
522 posted on 04/06/2008 7:04:07 PM EDT by restornu
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What I was getting at was you accuse other of on the path of heritic or Jim Jones out of the blue, because they dare to say that the Spirit of the Lord witness to them.
There was a time people would let us tell what they believed and that was respected maybe not agreed about but at lease it was a time one could voice such a thing.
Any way going over your post you have flipped off everyone here so you don’t seem all that steady!:)
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/posts-by:mccomo/
It is you should look in the mirror have a good day!
How did you do that...pull up his posts? We have that tool here?
2 women that had escaped from that cult,,,
Seems to me if LEOs have found those kids “At Risk”,,,
They have talked to others that gave them the info to
get the warrants to go in and remove them,,,
Showed Buses Too,,,City/School/Charter,,,but,,,No Baptist!
“Do these people have any idea at all how disgusting they are to the rest of us? “
They are a cult, do you see any signs that they care how disgusted the rest of America is with them?.
Um, Yes he was. All descendants of David were descendants of plural marriage. In fact so were Joseph and Mary.
I knew exactly what resty was saying. Don't accuse resty of embarrassing herself on this one. You are the one who is embarrassing himself.
Get a grip. You're wrong. It happens. I've been wrong before. I admit when I'm wrong.
They had to have a good reason to put them directly into foster care instead of just detaining them. Maybe they were “married” already.
If you guys were serious, you would look at the lineage of Mary for the earthly line of Jesus. Joseph was the ‘adopting’ father of Jesus.
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