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BREAKING NEWS UPDATE: Authorities enter Eldorado-area temple (Fundamentalist LDS cult)
Go San Angelo ^ | 5 April 08 | Paul A. Anthony

Posted on 04/06/2008 5:27:22 AM PDT by SkyPilot

Local and state officials entered the temple of a secretive polygamist sect late Saturday, said lawmen blockading the road to the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado.

The action comes hours after local prosecutors said officials were preparing for the worst because a group of FLDS members were resisting efforts to search the structure.

The Texas Department of Public Safety trooper and Schleicher County sheriff’s deputy confirmed that officials have entered the temple but said they had no word on whether anything occurred in the effort.

The incursion into the temple caps the three-day saga of the state’s Child Protective Services agency removing at least 183 women and children from the YFZ Ranch since Friday afternoon. Eighteen girls have been placed in state custody since a 16-year-old told authorities she was married to a 50-year-old man and had given birth to his child.

Saturday evening, ambulances were brought in, said Allison Palmer, who as first assistant 51st District attorney, would prosecute any felony crimes uncovered as part of the investigation inside the compound.

“In preparing for entry to the temple, law enforcement is preparing for the worst,” Palmer said Saturday evening. They want to have “medical personnel on hand in case this were to go in a way that no one wants.”

Apparently as a result of action Saturday night at the ranch, about 10:15 p.m. Saturday, a Schleicher County school bus unloaded another group of at least a dozen more women and children from the compound.

Although members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or FLDS, have provided varying degrees of cooperation to the sheriff’s deputies and Texas Rangers searching the compound, all cooperation stopped once authorities tried to search the gleaming white temple that towers over the West Texas scrub, Palmer said.

“There may be those who would oppose (entry) by placing themselves between law enforcement and the place of worship,” Palmer said Saturday afternoon. “If an agreement cannot be reached … law enforcement will have to — as gently and peaceably as possible — make entry into that place.”

Sect members consider the temple, dedicated by then-leader of the sect Warren Jeffs in January 2005 and finished many months later, off-limits to those who are not FLDS members, said Palmer, who prosecutes felony cases in Schleicher County.

Palmer said she didn’t know the size or makeup of the group inside the temple.

The earlier refusal to provide access was even more disconcerting because CPS investigators have yet to identify the 16-year-old girl or her roughly 8-month-old baby among the dozens removed from the compound, Palmer said.

“Anytime someone says, ‘Don’t look here,’” she said, “it makes you concerned that’s exactly where you need to look.”

The girl told authorities in two separate phone calls a day apart that she was married to a 50-year-old man, Dale Barlow, who had fathered her child, Palmer said.

The joint raid included the Texas Rangers, CPS, Schleicher County and Tom Green County sheriff’s deputies and game wardens from the Texas Department of Parks and Wildlife.

Although CPS and Department of Public Safety officials have described the compound’s residents as cooperative, Palmer disagreed.

“Things have been a little tense, a little volatile,” she said.

Authorities removed 52 children Friday afternoon and 131 women and children overnight Friday. About 40 of the children are boys, said CPS spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner.

No further children have been taken into state custody since Friday, when 18 girls were judged to have been abused or be at imminent risk for abuse. CPS has found foster homes for the girls, Meisner said, and will place them after concluding its investigation.

Meisner declined to comment on the fate of the 119 other children and said authorities were still searching the ranch for others Saturday evening.

“They’re in the process of looking,” she said. “They’re literally about halfway through.”


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KEYWORDS: cult; flds; jeffs; lds; lyingfreepers; mormon; mormonism; pitcairnisland; pologamy; polygamy; romney; soapoperaresty; warrenjeffs
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To: Caramelgal

“I only wanted to point out the FLDS is not the LDS anymore than the “Westboro Baptist Church” are mainstream Baptists.”


That is silly, Westboro is only an old man and 70 to 100 of his actual family members, it isn’t growing, it isn’t creating anything, it isn’t going anywhere, it is nothing and has no future and is no threat.

The Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints of Jesus Christ on the other hand, are the real thing, powerful, large, international, it has built vast financial wealth, it has roots in a larger even more powerful cult and it is a sect in the growing Latter Day Saint Movement.

Just reading this thread makes it clear that the fLDS is still a part of a larger movement, if it was 90 people off on their own little nut island that weren’t hurting people then we could compare them to a Westboro.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalist_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter_Day_Saints


1,621 posted on 04/09/2008 7:41:35 AM PDT by ansel12 (If your profit margin relies on criminality to suppress wages, then you deserve to be out.)
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To: Colofornian
And here is what these women thought about it Brigham Young gives Mormon women 2-week ultimatum to quit complaining about polygamy:

“Now for my proposition; it is more particularly for my sisters, as it is frequently happening that women say they are UNHAPPY. Men will say, 'My wife, though a most excellent woman, has NOT SEEN A HAPPY DAY SINCE I TOOK MY SECOND WIFE,' 'No, NOT A HAPPY DAY FOR A YEAR,' says one; and another HAS NOT SEEN AHAPPY DAY FOR FIVE YEARS. It is said that women are tied down and abused: that they are misused and have not the liberty they ought to have; that many of them ARE WADING THROUGH A PERFECT FLOOD OF TEARS,...

“I wish my own women to understand that what I am going to say is for them as well as others, and I want those who are here to tell their sisters, yes, all the women of this community, and then write it back to the States, and do as you please with it. I am going to give you from this time to the 6th day of October next, for reflection, that you may determine whether you wish to stay with your husbands or not, and then I am going TO SET EVERY WOMAN AT LIBERTY and say to them, Now go your way, MY WOMEN WITH THE REST, go your way. AND MY WIVES have go to do one of two things; either round up their shoulders to endure the afflictions of this world, and live their religion, OR THEY MAY LEAVE, for I will not have them about me. I will go into heaven alone, rather than have SCRATCHING AND FIGHTING AROUND ME. I WILL SET ALL AT LIBERTY. 'WHAT, FIRST WIFE TOO?' YES, I WILL LIBERATE YOU ALL....

“I wish my women, and brother Kimball's and brother Grant's to leave, and every woman in this Territory, or else say in their hearts that they will embrace the Gospel —the whole of it....say to your wives, 'Take all that I have and be set at liberty; but if you stay with me you shall comply with the law of God, and that too WITHOUT ANY MURMURING AND WHINING. You must fulfil the law of God in every respect, and round up your shoulders to WALK UP TO THE MARK WITHOUT ANY GRUNTING.' “Now recollect that two weeks from to morrow I am going to set you at liberty. But the first wife will say, 'It is hard, for I have lived with my husband twenty years, or thirty, and have raised a family of children for him, and it is a great trial to me for him to have more women;' then I say IT IS TIME THAT YOU GAVE HIM UP TO OTHER WOMEN WHO WILL BEAR CHILDREN. If my wife had borne me all the children that she ever would bare, the celestial law would teach me TO TAKE YOUNG WOMEN that would have children....

“SISTERS, I AM NOT JOKING, I do not throw out my proposition to banter your feelings, to see whether you will leave your husbands, all or any of you. BUT I KNOW THAT THERE IS NO CESSATION TO THE EVERLASTING WHINING OF MANY OF THE WOMEN IN THIS TERRITORY; I am satisfied that this is the case. And if the women will turn from the commandments of God and continue to despise the order of heaven, I will pray that the curse of the Almighty may be close to their heals, and that it may be following them all the day long....

“Prepare yourselves for two weeks from to morrow; and I will tell you now, that if you will tarry with your husbands, after I HAVE SET YOU FREE, YOU MUST BOW DOWN TO IT, and SUBMIT yourselves to the CELESTIAL LAW. You may go where you please, after two weeks from to-morrow; but, remember, that I WILL NOT HEAR ANY MORE OF THIS WHINING.” (Sermon by Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4., pp. 55-57; also printed in Deseret News, Vol. 6, pp. 235-236)

1,622 posted on 04/09/2008 7:54:42 AM PDT by Godzilla (The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: restornu; metmom; MHGinTN; P-Marlowe
When one protest as much as you...

Where do you think the term "Protest - ant" came from? (I think Protestants these days don't "protest" enough)

Yes I am still thankful that the Lord has restored many of the Plain and Precious Truths.

I see, rather than answer any of my questions, you just pushed it into M.R.A.O.--Mormon Robotic Automatic Overdrive--by falling back on your testimony by reitering this. (All...in case you haven't noticed, it's S.O.P.--standard operating procedure--that when a Mormon can't or won't address your question(s) or when they become imbalanced away from their emotional foundation, they just re-shift & re-utter their common Sunday testimony line. Since LDS emphasize education & learning more than other cults, their "brainwashing quota" is less than other cults...but the most effective "brainwashing" tool they have is the layered testimonies @ meetin' time...repeat something over & over enough, well, it must be "true").

Resty, you really need to answer Metmom's question to you in #1604 & my questions from my last post rather than just falling back on a testimonial line.

You took the time to chide MHGinTN for allegedly not responding to a query from p-marlowe. So be consistent: Answer the questions. You started the convo in bringing it up to me; you made a claim...now you need to back it up.

1,623 posted on 04/09/2008 7:56:30 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian; metmom; MHGinTN; P-Marlowe
Resty, you really need to answer Metmom's question to you in #1604 & my questions from my last post rather than just falling back on a testimonial line.

FWIW the "marriage" between Abraham and Hagar was rather similar to the various plural marriages in the LDS Church. While the Marriage to Sarah was recognized as valid, the marriage to Hagar has not been widely accepted as valid.

The fact of the matter is that there were no legal marriage rules at the time. I would venture to say that if you were living with a woman and had a child with her, then you were married to her. For many years in this nation, that was the law. Modern statutes have eliminated the common law marriage. I frankly think that the elimination of common law marriage was a huge mistake. It has created a nation of bastard children.

1,624 posted on 04/09/2008 8:11:42 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: colorcountry; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; Osage Orange; Greg F; ...
restornu: God knows all our hearts and minds and when we as a people are ready to take on more of what he has in store for us.

It's stunning to see the kind of frenzy that has led to the following kind of posts in defense of the rotten fruit of polygamy that is borne on the tree that has grown from the roots of Joseph Smith's lies.

There is an old saying, "Hate the sin but love the sinner". This has now been corrupted to read, "Hate the sinner but love the polygamy sin."

I posted THIS: I said why I thought that Plural marriage was a beautiful thing when done under the blessing of Heavenly Father
Posted by a FReeper.

Which led to the following:

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To: greyfoxx39

You distroting liar this has nothing to do with what I said and you know it “VIPER COWARD” who hide behind the screen!

posted on 04/08/2008 10:13:54 PM PDT by restornu (Man inhumanity to man)

 

THIS is the original post:

 

greyfoxx39 this is what is annoying you and many others like to speak for us or put words in our mouths.

I have said many times that plural marriage in many ways was a beautiful things.

Because of the caliber of souls who have entered the earth.

Personally I understood Plural marriage would not be with drawn until all of God purpose was completed.

These two ordinance plural marriage and the priesthood being open to all worthy males are most likely the two most dificult and misunderstood manifesto.

Many non members like to blame the LDS as though they had the say, when it was the Lord call and only the Lord knew when mission was completed.

I fine when one is sincere and study the scriptures as well as ponder that many times in the mind's eye will come pure understanding not only that but appreciation in thing work in the scheme of things.

God knows all our hearts and minds and when we as a people are ready to take on more of what he has in store for us.

posted on Monday, April 07, 2008 9:15:52 AM by restornu

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From these posts, in my opinion it is evident how the mind set of the FLDS cultists evolved.

1,625 posted on 04/09/2008 8:19:40 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (An "Inconvenient Truth".....Save the Earth... it's the only planet with chocolate.)
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To: JRochelle
Today of all days, when we have clear evidence of the evils of polygamy, I am shocked that you would still defend it.

Polygamy is not Child abuse, Child abuse is child abuse.

Polygamy is not the Sexual abuse of Minors, Sexual abuse of Minors is Sexual abuse of Minors.

Words mean things, these "Men" (I use the term loosely) seem to have done much that is reprehensible, and deviant in the sight of God, polygamy is factually not one of those things. I join you in condemning everything that they have done (condemning the sin, not the sinner) that are not in accordance with God's law. We are however discussing what is in accordance with God's law, and Polygamy is clearly not against God's Law.

POLYGAMY IS OF THE DEVIL.

Strongly stated opinion, the facts of the matter however are different, God specifically approved of Polygamy in the OT and never reviled it in the NT, thus, since God does not change he approves of it still.

Jesus so clearly taught against it.

Show me the scripture. I know he taught against the "Serial Polygamy" of divorce and remarriage that is commonly practiced today, but where did he teach against polygamy?

I give you a quote form a "Non Mormon" on polygamy who I believe you will agree has studied "Christina" doctrine to a high degree.

Martin Luther:
"I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter." (De Wette II, 459, ibid., pp. 329-330.)

1,626 posted on 04/09/2008 8:24:42 AM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: restornu
Poor Resty, trying to teach about critical thinking yet doesn't know the difference in 'would not' and 'could not'.

BTW, resty, did you understand the most excellent explanation given by our new member?... I didn't think so.

1,627 posted on 04/09/2008 8:25:46 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Godzilla
Well Godzilla....B.Y. wasn't talking as a "prophet" then.

So it doesn't matter...

/sarc

1,628 posted on 04/09/2008 8:27:48 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Molon Labe)
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To: FeliciaCat
Why are you using bible passages for defending forced Polygamy in this day and age? I’m sorry but this was practiced ALONG TIME AGO in a different time. Do you still travel via donkey or camel too?

I am interested in Truth, the forced marriage of any 15 year old to a 50 year old man is repugnant to me even if it is the first marriage for that man, there is much to condemn here without being inaccurate about it, and the facts of the matter are that polygamy is biblical and approved by God it is not the issue that makes these actions reprehensible.

Also, understand that I personally have no desire to practice such a form of marriage, I am not just content but honored to be married to and only to Mrs. Delphiuser.
1,629 posted on 04/09/2008 8:30:45 AM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Tennessee Nana
I Said: After David has fallen and slept with Bathsheba, and killed Uriah, Samuel comes to him to tell him of the lord’s punishment for his murder of Uriah,


U Said: No, Samuel never did that at all

It was Nathan that came to David...


I stand corrected, it was indeed Nathan, and I knew that, I wrote Samuel because I was quoting from the second book of Samuel, I apologize for the inaccuracy of my words.

U Said: And God did not condone adultery or bigamy...

Actually, he did right in the scripture I posted, and there are others, however, I will not belabor the point, I will simply ask for you to show me a single scripture that specifically condemns polygamy not divorce...
1,630 posted on 04/09/2008 8:35:46 AM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: greyfoxx39

There you go again FOX I know none of your hearts and minds only what you display here especially when you twist and lie about what someone said to fit your own agenda!

Have your disagreements but there is no need to rearrange my words so you can undermind or mock!


1,631 posted on 04/09/2008 8:36:32 AM PDT by restornu (Man inhumanity to man)
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To: DelphiUser
I am not going to chase this rabbit around the mull-berry bush again. You and I have done this before, I have pointed out Scripture about what Jesus said.

You simply choose to ignore it.

BTW, have you ever found the evidence that Joseph Smith married those 14 year old girls because they were widows with children?

I told you I would leave FR forever if you provided that evidence.

I am still here........

1,632 posted on 04/09/2008 8:37:39 AM PDT by JRochelle
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To: Old Mountain man
Sounds like a description of SkyPilot and a few other mainstreamers around here.

That's fine with me - as I expect that from you. You also believe that Golden Plates were dug up in Cumorah Hill near Palmyra, New York that were buried some 1400 years earlier by the man named Mormon, and that Joe also dug up a gigantic pair of spectacles which he called "the Urim and Thummim" that allowed him to translate the Golden Plates from "Reformed Egyptian" to the BOM. You believe that. You also believe BOM claims such as elephants in the Western Hemisphere and advanced metal producing capabilities in America before 400 A.D.

You also believe that Smiths 27 "wives" and Young's 17 "wives" were a good thing.

Fortunately, the final determination of what God says, what truth is, and what God judges isn't up to you.

If I were you, I would be taking a hard, long look at the life you raised in and that you live now.

Are you 100% sure you are in God's grace? Is what your LDS church teaches true?

Remember, someday the now open door of Grace will close shut. I pray you do not find yourself on the wrong side of it.

At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep. 6"At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!' 7"Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.' 9" 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.' 10"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut. 11"Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!' 12"But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.' 13"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

Matthew 25: 1-13

1,633 posted on 04/09/2008 8:40:54 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: Tennessee Nana
I Said: I believe in the laws which protect minors from advances by dirty old or young men.


U Said: It’s good that you agree that the false prophet Joseph smith, Brigham Young and other mormon pedophiles were criminals and should have gone to jail for their sex crimes...

Please show me such a law that was on the Books in 1840... In the 1800's if you were not married by 16 you were an "old maid", life spans were shorter then.

That said, IMHO you are behaving like a jerk, but that's my opinion, yours may and probably does vary.
1,634 posted on 04/09/2008 8:41:00 AM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: MHGinTN

Get real many here can not or don’t want to seperate apples from oranges!

All you can do MHGinTN is ridicule when you are limited in your response!

That is not the Christian way either!


1,635 posted on 04/09/2008 8:42:22 AM PDT by restornu (Man inhumanity to man)
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To: JRochelle

I am not angry about the polygamy, if a religion wants to practice polygamy as part of their belief I have no issue with that- as long as it takes place ONLY between consenting ADULTS. This issue is not really about polygamy it is about child abuse, physical abuse, and other forms of abuse committed against women and children.

Would many of you be as horrified if the wives were all of legal age when they were “married” to the men? I imagine a few of you would be- but I think this thread would have centered more on whether or not the female was beat by the man than the polygamy part.

Maybe I am different, I could never be involved in a relationship that involved polygamy- but I believe in live and let live. To me the polygamy is not where this group really crossed the line, it is the way they treat the women and children. Child sexual abuse is the key issue here, along with the man beating the young girl. I could really care less how many wives or husbands one chooses to have and am not sure the law should care either. The dirty old men “marrying” the young girls is the horrific part and for that they should be castrated.


1,636 posted on 04/09/2008 8:43:12 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: sevenbak
Now, as to the the practice of plural marriage for a 50 year period of time in the 1800’s by the LDS Church... it has no basis in reality to that of the FLDS. Those who did what Jeffs people are doing were excommunicated, people practicing sexual perversions in the name of the church were excommunicated by Joseph and Brigham.

Disingeneous hypricracy on the part of the mormon leadership. Joey and Brig were well into muliple wives beginning the 1830s, that is too well documented to deny as you are trying to do (as well as the lame Ency of Mormonism tries to do). Even pro-LDS sites have to admit that
http://www.fairlds.org/pubs/polyandry.pdf

Excommunication was a common tool of joey's to dispose of oppostion. Oliver Cowdrey was excommunicated in part after voicing opposition to Joey's polygamy. I'm sure that if one were to examine the broader context of those who were excommunicated, one would find that they had some how crossed joey or his cabal in some fashion.

In fact, even known Anti Mormon “exposer” John C. Bennett, who started the Nauvoo Expositor, was excommunicated by Joseph for his serial infidelities and his perverted practices about the principle.

First off, Bennett left Nauvoo and started his attacks on joey's character elsewhere. It was William Law (a member of the 1st Presidency) and other mormons who were concerned about joey's excesses that started the Expositor - get your history right at least.

One more, this by Fawn Brodie, an Anti Mormon, a critical biographer of Joseph Smith and a recognized expert on Smith, admitted that polygamy in Joseph’s mind was not about anything other than restoring the Biblical practice and completing a “restoration of all things.”

Shame on you 7, typical 'poisoining the well'. First, Brodie was a mormon, and was excommunicated because her book - "No Man Knows My History" - published the truth about Joey's polygamy and lies that the mormon heirarchy wanted to be kept under the rug. Fact is, her statements and observations have been found to be supported over and over again. Her history of Thomas Jefferson is an example of the fine work that she has done. NO, she is only an ANTI because her work shined the light on the cockroaches. Other mormons recently (within past 10-15 years) have also been excommunicated because they discovered that mormonism has been far less than honest with their facts and history and when they spoke out - the cabal followed joey's example.

Many of you have taken it upon yourselves to be Lawyer, Judge and executioner of Joseph Smith. That is your right, but it is also my right to proclaim that He was a prophet of God, and restored the fullness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

You better believe it. If it wasn't for the evil that joey inflicted on this country, those 11, 12, 13, 14 and on up year old girls would not be raped and abused by those who followed the prophet. Look into those faces 7, those are the fruits of you prophet.

1,637 posted on 04/09/2008 8:43:32 AM PDT by Godzilla (The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: Elsie

My eyes....my eyes... aaaargh


1,638 posted on 04/09/2008 8:45:31 AM PDT by Godzilla (The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: wagglebee

The actually testimonial history of the so called ‘translating of gold plates’ was done with Joe’s treasure divination peepstone, according to the scribe ol’ Joe used. Even many mormons have not been told the truth of that one! One of the infamous apologists gracing us so often with his vast knowledge had to learn that from discussions at FR.


1,639 posted on 04/09/2008 8:50:18 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: JRochelle

His answers are evolving don’tchaknow.


1,640 posted on 04/09/2008 8:56:48 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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