Posted on 04/05/2008 6:01:28 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
Standoff emerges at polygamist retreat
8 minutes ago
Ambulances are being sent to a polygamist compound in West Texas as authorities prepare "for the worst" in a conflict with members of the compound.
Prosecutor Allison Palmer says sect leaders Saturday refused to let authorities search a temple for a 16-year-old member who reported being physically abused.
Palmer tells the San Angelo Standard-Times that medical workers are being sent "in case this were to a go in a way that no one wants."
She says that law enforcers are "preparing for the worst."
A search warrant authorized troopers to enter the retreat run by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. They are looking for evidence of a marriage between the girl and a 50-year-old man.
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Polygamy was illegal when Mormons were polygamists. Later in the 1890s, they stopped because they wanted to become respectable. It was part of the deal for making Utah a state.
This is defending them? I think not. I am defending your rights and the Constitution, pal.
That's a pretty good argument for keeping things to yourself, don't you think?
I’m well aware of Mormon history.
Not always particularly law abiding.
I agree with you about Warren Jeffs.
The whole trial and all was just a show. The state of Utah doesn’t want to deal with the mess they have in some of those towns.
The polygamists were idiots to think they could pull this stuff in Texas. Utah is the place for that!
Destruction of the divine institution of marriage and family is not a matter of basic freedom. The family is a building block of society and the nation. Legitimate authority exists within the family and when it becomes corrupt, higher authority may be called to intervene. In this case, the counterfeit families being produced are still answerable to the higher authority of national government via that chain of command, beginning with county and state government.
Until the issue s resolved, the entire community may be arrested and their freedoms removed awaiting due process.
” Unless the group is systematically breaking that law, leave them alone”
They are doing just that. Book ‘em, Dano.
“Utah is the place for that!”
Make ‘em really suffer, send ‘em to Jersey!
The US government controls the institution of marriage but does not generally legislate families. What is a “counterfeit family?”
Gay and lesbian families are not illegal. Gay marriage is illegal, with exceptions.
They have no authority to arrest an entire community.
Polygamy is prohibited in Deut 17:14-17 and Luke 18:18.
Polygamy is not justified in either an oriental harem or in the Mormon home. This was recognized by the government in 1862 and reconfirmed by the Supreme Court in 1890.
Polygamy causes many things ranging from incest to rape to murder and violence as indicated in David’s polygamy in 2Samuel 13.
The greatest nations in human history, Greece, Rome, Israel, were monogamous.
Legitimate authority in marriage is stipulated in Eph 5, and explicitly defiones marriage as between one man and one woman.
Eph 5:31
(31) For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
It also models the relationship between Christ and the Church.
The legitimate authority of the family is presented in Colosians 5.
Col 3:20
(20) Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord.
Those who seek to redefine marriage and family simply counterfeit an institution established by God for the happiness of man. Such counterfeit institutions simply lead to self-induced misery and fail to meet the requirements of a fulfilling spiritual life.
God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
Homosexual marriage is illegitimate and has no legitimate basis except in cases of illegitimate government, which maintains its status as wholly illegitimate. Beyond that, it has its basis in very real sick perverted mentality, seeking to rebel from legitimacy in the interest of promoting lust in arrogance without respect for anything holy.
I don’t think Deut 17:14-17 prohibits polygamy. It comes right after a similarly worded passage regarding horses, which I assume doesn’t mean that one can’t have two horses. I think what it says is that one shouldn’t greedily accumulate women as with horses and gold.
Prohibitions on polygamy start with the New Testament.
The Romans took marriage rather lightly. Homosexuality was hardly unknown to them. The Greeks celebrated homosexuality and often cared about their boyfriends as much or more than their wives, whose purpose was in many cases solely procreational.
God save our society.
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>Obligatory post expressing outrage before I am accused of supporting Mormonism
Before I am forced to pull a Gamecock... um, so to speak...
I am just amazed that the Mormons have not come to my defense by showing my anti-mormon street cred. Sheesh, I am getting bashed for NOT bashing Moromons? ME?
I mostly get my apologetics stuff from Dr. James White’s AOMin.org site and his affiliates, or from CARM.org, and if anyone could call them in any way shape or form Mormon supporting they ain’t from this planet!
But I guess this is pretty good chuckle fodder, so I will take it as that.
>”The who? Latter Day Who? Is that the Mormons?”
>Yep — like the Phelps Phonies are “Baptists”...
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>(...for those dense of skull...) </SARCASM>
Amen. These ain’t your fathers Mormons. More like your great-grandfathers...
No need to bash the LDS for this.
**I am just amazed that the Mormons have not come to my defense by showing my anti-mormon street cred.**
They have been pretty quite.
>>**I am just amazed that the Mormons have not come to my defense by showing my anti-mormon street cred.**
>They have been pretty quite.
Quiet even!
:o)
Do you know that for sure? And by whom? Their *husbands* or other despot male authorities, or by the government authorities?
Infiltration certainly will not work. Heck, they don't even keep their own sons in there because they are competition; they certainly aren't going to allow any other males join. Kids can't do it. Are any women going to volunteer to join a group like that and be abused and raped by its members? How to you watch a close, tight knit, isolated community like that?
The sorts of ways of usually gathering information aren't going to be very effective with a group like this.
If a weapons cache were reported under a mosque (and I for one don't doubt they exist) it OUGHT to be investigated. Unless one believes that because jihad is part of their religion, it gets protected by the Constitution and we can't do anything to stop it. Do you really, seriously believe that the Constitution should protect that sort of thing?
DOO-OH!
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