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"Stop-Loss" loses battle in wider ideological war (Spin till ya puke!)
Reuters via Yahoo ^ | 04/04/08 | Gregg Kilday

Posted on 04/04/2008 11:27:08 AM PDT by Abathar

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - Last weekend, Hollywood offered moviegoers -- particularly younger ones -- a choice.

They options were a glossy movie about a bunch of sexy MIT whiz kids beating the house in Las Vegas and a gritty movie about a bunch of sexy young soldiers who, after completing their tour of duty in Iraq, learn they are being redeployed to the front.

Overwhelmingly, audiences opted for Sony's "21," which opened in first place to $24.1 million, over Paramount/MTV Films' "Stop-Loss," which bowed in eighth place with just $4.6 million.

In a "memo to Hollywood" posted on his site, Fox News talk-show host Bill O'Reilly proclaimed "Stop-Loss" "a bomb, a major disaster at the boxoffice." O'Reilly added, "There is a difference between loyal dissent, a good thing, and trying to make your country look bad. You, Hollywood people, often do the latter. And the folks know it."

Needless to say, the reality is a good deal less black and white.

Although "Stop-Loss" hardly set the box office ablaze, it was more a misfire than a bomb. The opening gross for "21" might have been five times higher than that for "Stop-Loss," but "21" was playing in twice the number of theaters. On a per-theater basis, "Stop-Loss" actually ranked fourth among the weekend's top 10, taking in $3,528 per theater, ahead of fellow rookie "Superhero Movie," which opened at No. 3 with $9.5 million.

The serious-minded "Stop-Loss" inevitably faced an uphill battle when facing off against escapist entertainment like "21." Although the current crop of Iraq movies hasn't yet connected with audiences in the way that the Vietnam movies of the second half of the 1970s did, it's worth remembering that most of those movies weren't blockbusters, either; 1978's "The Deer Hunter" ($49 million in domestic grosses) and "Coming Home" ($32.7 million) paled in comparison to that year's "Grease" (nearly $160 million in its initial release).

Now, the common wisdom in Hollywood is that with the Iraq War still raging, it's too soon to ask moviegoers to revisit the war. After all, Hollywood waited several years after Vietnam ended before approaching that topic.

But it's just as possible that the current Iraq War movies simply are arriving too late.

Consider: Americans remained deeply divided over the Vietnam War even after its inglorious conclusion in 1975. Many regarded Jane Fonda a traitor, vowing never to go near any of her movies, but those who had protested the war eagerly embraced her films. Arguably, a movie like "Coming Home" benefited from that partisan divide.

Today, the majority of Americans have turned against the war in Iraq. The debate is over. A mid-March Gallup Poll found that 59% of Americans said the U.S. should have stayed out of Iraq. In a CBS poll, 65% said the war was not worth it. And according to CNN, 66% now oppose the war.

Still, the war drags on. Even the cable news channels have shifted away from covering the endless sectarian fighting in Baghdad and Basra in favor of the never-ending he-said-she-said of the current Democratic presidential contest.

If anything, "Stop-Loss" is an uncomfortable reminder that the war isn't over. Ryan Phillippe plays a man who doesn't want to abandon his country or the men he has fought with but who still sees returning to Iraq as an exercise in futility. As the movie struggles to end on a satisfying note, that's a tough sell to audiences, many of whom already have turned off to the war and would just like to put it all behind them.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antiamericanism; hollywood; stoploss
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To: Snickersnee

Mrs. Snickersnee will then be assured to hear how much money Redacted made abroad. I think it made $65,000 including every penny worldwide. I’m wondering if I’m missing a 0 in that no..


21 posted on 04/04/2008 11:46:53 AM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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To: Abathar
From Bill’s latest column:

Hey, Hollywood people, thanks for taking this meeting. I wish I had some good news about the new movie "Stop Loss." But I don't. It's a bomb, a major disaster at the box office, despite the presence of Ryan Phillippe. Sorry. (cont.)

Memo to Hollywood
22 posted on 04/04/2008 11:47:09 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Abathar

“Today, the majority of Americans have turned against the war in Iraq. The debate is over.”

Since when does the result of a poll terminate debate? Are they saying that if a poll suggests that a majority supports something, say slavery or concentration camps based on ethnicity, discussion should end? The line between liberals and facists is getting fuzzier and fuzzier.


23 posted on 04/04/2008 11:47:26 AM PDT by Spok (Ignorance is no excuse-it's the real thing.)
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To: tobyhill

Send that to Rush and Hannity. They absolutely need to see it.


24 posted on 04/04/2008 11:47:37 AM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: Miss Didi

I read his review, all I can say is “OUCH!!”


25 posted on 04/04/2008 11:48:00 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Abathar
The debate is over. People who claim that the debate is over are typically morons...;'}
26 posted on 04/04/2008 11:48:22 AM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: Miss Didi
I have rarely laughed as hard as I did after reading that review. I got to believe this is actually a comedy.
***Tatum's character, Shriver, digs himself a foxhole in the front yard and starts howling about enemies in the night, while Tommy (Joseph Gordon-Levitt) drives into a lamppost and shoots his wedding presents with a rifle.***
27 posted on 04/04/2008 11:49:58 AM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: Snickersnee

Miss Didi confirms I’m not missing a 0. Redacted grossed $65,000.


28 posted on 04/04/2008 11:50:12 AM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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To: Abathar
By the way, Kilday is an entertainment snob.

"Why aren't people watching one sided message movies for their entertainment!!!! Why!!! Why!!! Why!!!".
29 posted on 04/04/2008 11:50:18 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: The Black Knight

Haven’t heard anything lately about FALLUJAH. Hope to God it’s a fighting man’s picture and not more anti-Bush/DoD manure.


30 posted on 04/04/2008 11:50:18 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: wastedyears

I’ve sent it already and it seems no one wants to touch it, yet.


31 posted on 04/04/2008 11:51:28 AM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: Abathar

It is becoming more clear that Al Queda has infiltrated our dinasour media!


32 posted on 04/04/2008 11:51:48 AM PDT by CSM (Kakistocracy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens.)
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To: Abathar

Thanks for the thread...I was hoping for a chance to share that review.


33 posted on 04/04/2008 11:52:09 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Abathar
After all, Hollywood waited several years after Vietnam ended before approaching that topic.

At least back then Hollywood knew better than to harm US troops during a time of war. They had the decency to wait until the war was over before putting out their propaganda.

Today they don't give a rip that they are cheering the enemy.

34 posted on 04/04/2008 11:52:24 AM PDT by Gideon7
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To: tobyhill

Second paragraph of the story begins: “They options...

Nice effort.


35 posted on 04/04/2008 11:52:25 AM PDT by cdga5for4
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To: tobyhill

I was hysterically laughing reading it on the subway. Glad you enjoyed it. ;)


36 posted on 04/04/2008 11:54:49 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: cdga5for4
I already picked my “they options”, I ain't gonna sees this peece of tarded crap.
37 posted on 04/04/2008 11:56:34 AM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: Miss Didi
I'm in Texas and I know all too well about the over-exaggerated accents from some people who have no clue. I moved to Chicago for a year on business and had dinner with a co-workers family. The first thing out of the wife's mouth was,”sorry we ain't got no squirrel tails and possum inners”.
38 posted on 04/04/2008 12:00:11 PM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: Abathar
Real simple ~ "21" with a bunch of young risk takers is more popular than "Stop-Loss" with a bunch of whiners.

It's always been that way.

39 posted on 04/04/2008 12:01:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: The Black Knight
I think you are on to something:

THE HITS

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Black Hawk Down

Domestic: $108,638,745

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We Were Soldiers

Domestic: $78,122,718

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Saving Private Ryan

Domestic: $216,540,909

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AND NOW THE FLOPS

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Stop-Loss

Domestic: $5,579,333

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Lions For Lambs

Domestic: $15,000,115

Some people never learn.

40 posted on 04/04/2008 12:01:52 PM PDT by stratboy
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