Never take anything for granted.
Russian Aces of the Korean War
MiG-15bis Fagot '16' flown by Semen Fedorets to score his two last F-86 kills (June-July 1953)
Posted on 04/04/2008 5:22:05 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
I believe that is obtained using AIP technology which is not particularly stealthy.
Whaddya mean "force"?
:-)
Yes, and they have such a long tradition of submarine service as to make all our efforts futile! Your wrong on this one Papa.
Needless to say that there has been a Kilo-Class sub parked in San Diego Bay for several years, compared to anything we drive it’s a piece of junk but it’s a great tour.
My thoughts exactly.
Getting a billion dollars for crap you don’t want anymore. BRILLIANT!
Never take anything for granted.
Russian Aces of the Korean War
MiG-15bis Fagot '16' flown by Semen Fedorets to score his two last F-86 kills (June-July 1953)
Oh, I definitely think Putin should loan Hugo a few billion bucks to buy military hardware he’ll never be able to use. Hugo will piss off his people with his wasteful spending, and Putin will never collect the debts. It’s win-win.
Got anything on Venezuelan aces?
A cursory examination of a world map will reveal one possible strategic mission for these boats - the Atlantic end of the Panama canal. Beyond that they're expensive toys for a pumped-up little caudillo. IMHO, of course.
Joke all you want. A lack of attack boats is a very serious problem that could get a lot of people killed in the long run. And there is nothing in the submarine world quieter than a diesel boat. Whether the Kilos are still hard to track is questionable, but the idea that diesel is inferior to nuclear is absolutely unfounded.
I think you've got a good estimate there.
In the right hands? No, we can't. The Swedes have had a diesel boat at San Diego for over a year now and it runs rings around every U.S. nuke sent to find it.
Having said that, submarines take a trained crew to run. Venezuela has two 30 year old German diesel boats, and I'd have to wonder how effective they've been for the last decade or more. So it stands to reason that Venzuela has few trained submariners to man these boats with. And fewer, if any, submarine commanders who can make the most of their capabilities.
Exactly.
That is not the point. The point is that, during the Korean War, the Russians were secretly flying North Korean aircraft against the U.S. and scoring an impressive number of kills.
The Commanding Officer of a future Venezuelan submarine that sneaks undected into a U.S. Battle Group (as the CHICOM's have done) and scores a hit on a CVN could very well be named "Sergei Karnovich".
In the Historical Trivia Department, in regards to "Venezuelan aces", there were none but one Venezuelan did have four kills, one short of being an ace.
Leutnant der Reserve Carlos Meyer Baldó (Karl Meyer) was the Venezuelan born and raised son of a Venezuelan mother and a German immigrant father who volunteered for service in World War One and joined von Richthofen's "Flying Circus" flying in Jagdstaffel 11 (Richthofen's own squadron) and Jagdstaffel 4.
His confirmed victories were:
July 31, 1917 a British RE.8
June 28, 1918 a French SPAD XIII
July 15, 1918 a French SPAD XIII
July 18, 1918 a British Sopwith Camel
After the war, her returned home to Venezuela.
Kurt Wüsthoff (left) & Carlos Meyer (right) besides an Albatross D.V
Carlos Meyer in his Fokker D.VII with his "Bulldog" personal insignia
The Russians could very easily put Russina crews in those boats and Russian pilots in those Sukhois. Would that make them the biggest threat on the planet? No. Would they be a joke? Heck no.
Consider this - a Kilo could smuggle stuff into the USA for YEARS, without being detected.
Interesting thought.
Of course, any idiot can make a sub go down...
Note to Hugo: There’s cheaper ways of creating artificial reefs off your coast... Just thought you’d like know.
That's a possibility worth thinking about. We don't do customs inspections of every little sailboat that goes a couple of miles offshore
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