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Texas ratepayers' price tag for new wind-power lines in billions
Star-telegram.com ^ | 04/03/2008 | R.A. DYER

Posted on 04/03/2008 1:20:21 PM PDT by JDinAustin

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So the ratepayers cover the cost and the Energy companies get the profits...sounds like typical Texas politics to me.
1 posted on 04/03/2008 1:28:03 PM PDT by JDinAustin
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To: JDinAustin
But windpower is F - R - E - E !!!!!.................
2 posted on 04/03/2008 1:30:43 PM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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Drop in the bucket if a tax was levied onto the many oil companies headquartered in TX.


3 posted on 04/03/2008 1:30:52 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: JDinAustin

Just heard on CAVUTO show that Texas and Tulsa are doing great, no housing crunch here. Austin, Houston, Dallas were in the top ten recently for new people moving into the cities from other states. Houston is a veritable boom town, if you don’t go there for two weeks, and then you go to Houston, you may get lost, so much construction on roads, freeways, highways... so many new shops, houses, restaurants, etc. It is dizzying. So please DO NOT MOVE HERE, WE DO NOT WANT TO BECOME ANOTHER LOS ANGELES! WE have enough people here already!


4 posted on 04/03/2008 1:31:55 PM PDT by buffyt (Glowbull warming/Climate Change - the biggest hoax/fraud/deception of the 21st century.)
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To: JDinAustin

We get it up the ying-yang here in Texas for electricity. One of the highest in the nation per kwh.

“Cheaper wind power”??? This guy has not checked the price of green power in Texas.


5 posted on 04/03/2008 1:34:08 PM PDT by biff
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To: JDinAustin

This is a gold-plated boondoggle that will line the pockets of the usual Fat Cats with money from utility customers.
Wind power is fine, if it is used where it is generated. Let the consumers in Central and East Texas stay on the natural-gas-powered grid, while the Coastal and Plains consumers go on wind power. That is the only sensible solution, certainly not saddling consumers with another expensive surcharge on their electric bills.


6 posted on 04/03/2008 1:34:34 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: JDinAustin

That blows.


7 posted on 04/03/2008 1:35:37 PM PDT by JackDanielsOldNo7 (On guard until the seal is broken)
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To: JDinAustin

you will pay for it and like it


8 posted on 04/03/2008 1:36:15 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Red Badger

I had a meeting with a Billionaire last week that is working on an alternative energy plan. He said a couple problems with Wind energy.

1st. it is more than double the cost because you have to have regular energy producing plants that back up the wind plant because when the wind stops you can’t just tell your customers... sorry no electricity the wind has stopped.

2nd, The wind tends to stop on hot days, Just when you need the power.... to run all the air conditioners ... because there is no wind... etc...


9 posted on 04/03/2008 1:38:14 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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We get it up the ying-yang here in Texas for electricity. One of the highest in the nation per kwh.

No kidding. Also, Austin dropped out of the South Texas Nuclear project "because it was environmentally unfriendly" for the hippies.

10 posted on 04/03/2008 1:45:41 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Just say "No" to BO.)
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To: JDinAustin

Hey, at least it will give the illegals something to hang their clotheslines on.


11 posted on 04/03/2008 1:46:41 PM PDT by dr.zaeus
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To: lilylangtree

Why would you tax oil companies to pay for electric lines?


12 posted on 04/03/2008 1:47:32 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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We are trying to build some big coal plants here in Kansas to sell you Texans some nice cheap electricity but our governor is holding things up.


13 posted on 04/03/2008 1:49:33 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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Wind and solar power will never be more than an adjunct to main power systems, and then only where it’s feasible. Geothermal would probably be a better way to go for a long term solution. Nuclear even better. Unless the science can come up with a new and less costly way of turning water into hydrogen and oxygen, our energy needs will not be met any time soon...........


14 posted on 04/03/2008 1:50:12 PM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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IIRC, reliability on wind power is spotty at best. They break a lot. That means lots of down time, lots of maintenance costs, and lots of replacement power costs.

As for the profits, that goes to the stockholders. If they’re getting a boon from the guv’mint, now might be a good time to buy stock.


15 posted on 04/03/2008 1:50:52 PM PDT by wolfpat (If you don't like the Patriot Act, you're really gonna hate Sharia Law.)
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I don’t want windpower. I want coal and nuclear plants as far as the eye can see!!!! Why can’t they engage their brains and get rid of all this PC crap...


16 posted on 04/03/2008 1:56:25 PM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: JDinAustin

ENRON WIND owned by ENRON.


17 posted on 04/03/2008 2:02:54 PM PDT by A. Morgan (VOTE FOR A LIBERAL N' WE'LL BE UP TO OUR NECKS IN ILLEGALS and OUTA' GAS!)
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link to the study: http://www.ercot.com/news/presentations/2007/CREZ-11-02-07_public.pdf

Shell, TXU and T. Boone Pickens [http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1975560/posts?] are talking large projects up in the Panhandle area. The King Ranch and the Kenedy Ranch [http://www.chiefengineer.org/content/content_display.cfm/seqnumber_content/3058.htm] are in a squabble down Corpus Christi way about a large farm proposed on the Kenedy Ranch. Texas has the potential for huge wind farms but many aren’t in densely populated areas.


18 posted on 04/03/2008 2:06:22 PM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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"...sounds like typical Texas politics to me..."

Sounds like typical t-Bone Pickens politics.

The Fat Cats have names and Mr. Pickens is on that tiny list...

19 posted on 04/03/2008 2:08:09 PM PDT by kcm.org (Now unto Him)
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To: dangerdoc

We are trying to build some big coal plants here in Kansas to sell you Texans some nice cheap electricity but our governor is holding things up


That’s part of the problem. ERCOT doesn’t like being connected to other grids outside of Texas and thus coming under the FERC rule. Currently ERCOT is Texas only with no control by FERC.


20 posted on 04/03/2008 2:09:33 PM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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