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To: KingJaja; TigersEye; GVnana; upcountryhorseman; AliVeritas; JNL; Fred Nerks; Admin Moderator
I genuinely believe that Jaja is a quisling. A read of his brief posting history shows that he thinks that we are in Iraq for the oil, that Gitmo should be closed and the EPWs brought here for justice and that Eoropeans are the cause of all the evils in Africa.

Jaja constantly refers to himself as part of our "we" and "us" and tells us what we should do yet he claims to be living in England after thirty years in Africa.

On this thread he has done everything he can to avert us from looking into...

the Obama/Odinga connection,

Obama's active campaigning for Odinga (as a US Senator),

Odinga's Marxist education,

Odinga's vocally communist father (Obama's uncle),

Odinga's leadership role in the massacres that followed his loss in the election (the violence ended only when a power sharing deal was struck),

Odinga's relationship with the Sharia law seeking NAMLEF.

He wants us to 'trust' him. He wants us to believe that Marxism, Communism, Socialism just don't exist in Africa, that all politics are tribal.

He wants us to look the other way.....

Why?

136 posted on 03/30/2008 11:49:38 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: wtc911

I want balance. If you’re going to talk about Odinga at least talk about Kibaki. I heard no mention about the news media blackout, about police and army brutality, about extra-judicial killing by government forces.

I heard nothing about election rigging and other election related fraud. All I hear is that Odinga operates in a vacuum and Obama is his willing accomplice.

The mark of a great mind is the ability to consider other points of view. That is precisely what I am trying to provoke on this forum.

If that makes me a quisling, so be it.


137 posted on 03/30/2008 11:58:38 AM PDT by KingJaja
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To: wtc911

I challenge you.

Name one Sub-Saharan African nation where the politics is not tribal. Name just one.

You cannot talk about Marxism, Communism or Capitalism in societies in which the majority of the population depends on subsistence agriculture and is illiterate / untouched by outside influence.

Mobutu claimed to be ‘capitalist’ while neighbouring Dos Santos claimed to be ‘socialist’. There was no fundamental difference between Mobutu’s rule and Dos Santos rule. The major source of wealth was government. The primary employer was government. The private sector was almost absent. They were both kleptocracies.

The only difference was that Mobutu could con Reagan and Thatcher into providing arms and funds whilst Dos Santos could con Brezhnev and Castro. Siad Barre played the same game with the Americans while neighbouring Haile Mengistu played the same game with the Soviets.

You can write tons of theoretical papers about socialism and capitalism in Africa, but those of us that know Africa understand its all bunk.


139 posted on 03/30/2008 12:14:07 PM PDT by KingJaja
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To: wtc911

Don’t worry I’m not buying any of it. On the bright side; FR must be pretty important. We have numerous ChiCom apologists/agents and apparently communist apologists from around the world. We must be making too much sense around here. ; )


150 posted on 03/30/2008 12:35:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (Beijing 2008 - Berlin 1936. Olympics staged for murdering tyrant regimes.)
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To: wtc911
He wants us to 'trust' him. He wants us to believe that Marxism, Communism, Socialism just don't exist in Africa, that all politics are tribal.

He wants us to look the other way.....

Why?

see choice of namesake, post#113

155 posted on 03/30/2008 3:22:24 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (a fair dinkum aussie)
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