Posted on 03/29/2008 7:19:39 AM PDT by connell
Some mornings I wake up and, for a minute or two, I think that I must have been dreaming that there are conservatives who hate John McCain so much that, come November, they intend to stay home and let Bill Clinton’s wife or Jeremiah Wright’s surrogate nephew become president of the United States. But then I realize it’s not a dream, and that’s when the nightmare really begins.
Recently, I wrote a piece in which I stated a few of the reasons why I think McCain should be elected. I ended with a notion for a bumper-sticker: “Better an Imperfect Republican Than a Perfect Socialist”. But, still, I heard from a number of disgruntled right-wingers who vowed not to sully their principles by helping to elect a candidate they regarded as indistinguishable from Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.
I will repeat for the rest of you what I replied to these people. Granted, I don’t agree with Sen. McCain about amnesty for illegal aliens. But his position is no worse than that of the Democrats, and at least I’m confident that he’s opposed to the illegals having the right to vote in our elections. Democrats, as we all know, are for universal suffrage -- and that includes felons locked up in jails and people buried in cemeteries.
On the plus side of the ledger, McCain has never voted to increase taxes. Initially, he voted against Bush’s tax cuts, but that was because he wanted them tied to cuts in spending. However, when he lost that battle, he voted to make the tax cuts permanent. He is also leading the fight against earmarks.
This man, whom some conservatives regard as a RINO or even a closet liberal, is pro-life, pro...
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McCain philosophically embraces class warfare, politics of envy, government intrusion "for your own good" and at the price of personal freedom and tax dollars, betrayal of political allies when expedient, distrust in free enterprise, belief in the government's right to impose amorality on people with regard to homosexuality and abortion, faith in pop-political faux-science hoaxes like Global Warming -- philosophically, McCain and Obama are equally dangerous and wrong. Ethically, for all I know, Obama is more trustworthy than McCain. It's beside the point.
My mother had a good phrase for what some Republicans are doing. IT'S CALLED CUTTING OFF YOUR NOSE TO SPITE YOUR FACE”.
NO, I don't like McCain but unless he happens to croak before the convention he is our guy!
We don't have a strong, philosophically conservative candidate in this race. We do have a race where we are confronted with the very real possibility of having a socialist elected president. If we provide this man with the mantle of the presidency, it would be disasterous for this country, and create consequences you and I might not not outlive.
The ethics of socialism are completely, diametrically opposed to enlightened self-governance. We can undo McCain-Feingold, we can undo ill-conceived environmental legislation, and any other whacky trends that come along. If we capitulate to socialism and reward it with the highest office in this country -- well, the old saying is, "You get the government you deserve."
You seem to be working the anti-McCain angle a bit much....
I wonder what your agenda is.
I never thought I would read a republican campaigning for a democrat (or two democrats) before -
Talk about a misguided cut and run.
As for thinking that rejecting McCain is like "cutting off yoru nose to spite your face," RIGHT BACK AT YA. Willfully empowering John McCain to represent the Republican party is cutting off the Republican party's nose to spite its face. It would be worse than an empty meaningless victory -- it would be a victory detrimental to Republicans.
Your mother also probably told you often enough that you had to drink icky cough syrup today if you wanted to feel better tomorrow, otherwise tomorrow you'll feel WORSE. Better to swallow bitter medicine now -- aka, let the Dems have the next four years and watch them as they implode, as they will -- and understand that bitter medicine is often necesasary to lead to better health further down the road.
I am hoping he dies three days into office. i will even start a dead pool on him.
Your agenda is to see that the Republican -- no matter how phony and false he is -- wins. Your mistake is thinking that it's best for America. I and others here are trying to alert folks like you to your mistake.
Nice summary.
The chances of that happening if the Democrat wins are less because the Democrat will be opposed both within his/her own party and also outside of that party.
The chances of that happening if McCain wins is practically assured becasue MCCAIN WILL PUSH THE SAME LIBERAL PHILOSOPHY but he will be opposed by few on either side. If we provide McCain with the mantle of the Republican party AND the U.S. presidency, future voters will reject the Republican party, Liberalism will become stronger than ever, and the socialists you fear will find easy power and little organized resistence because the Republicans have destroyed their own party out of FEAR.
I never thought I would see so many Republicans pretending that a Liberal Democrat is a Republican.
Especially if Harry Reid is working a deal to give Hitlery the Majority Leader position if she drops out, we need to have a Republican Senate.
He is too liberal, too feeble to perform his Senate obligations, has sponsored more liberal legislation than any other candidate, wants amnesty and open borders. Of biggest concern is the fact that he is loony tunes and gets an insane look in his eyes. He and Cindy give me the creeps.
On what historical precedent would you base that conclusion?
I remember when voting for Perot was that bitter medicine that was supposed to do it for us Finny.
I am basing my conclusion on the fact that both Obama and Hillary are very polarizing within their own party, nearly as polarizing as McCain is to Republicans.
Black Americans and Hillary-hating Democrats (they are legion) will resent a Hillary win, people don't like Hillary ANYWAY, she'd win by fraud so her support would be illusion, people would write their Democrat representatives and threaten to kick them out of office if they don't oppose Hillary, Democrats would come across as non-partisan and brave and courageous in the media for opposing Hillary, and Republicans and Independents would pile on. Hillary would be stalemated often -- at least, that's what I calculate looking at the real context.
Obama would be nearly as polarizing -- he already is, in fact, as the Reverend Wright controversy indicates. His middle name is Hussein, there was considerable Muslim influence in his youth, his wife is a loud-mouthed Anti-American elitist, and all of that's got to scare a lot of blue-collar average American Democrats. They're already suspicious of him, and Republicans and Independents will also pile on, and Obama would face opposition within and without.
Another point: if a Democrat wins the presidency, it's a pretty safe bet that Republicans will pick up seats in Congress. If McCain wins, it's a pretty safe bet Republicans will LOSE seats in Congress.
Like you, I can only assess the odds in looking at this thing. To me, it looks a pretty solid bet that McCain wouldn't be opposed by Democrats -- it would be in their political interest to support him. It would make them look like they're being bipartisan, they like his policies ANYWAY because they're essentially the same as their own (bigger government, squishier, softer policies in the WOT regarding terrorists -- McCain wants to close GTMO, right?), and when things screw up, Republicans, not Democrats, will be held responsible. Democrats have to love the prospect of a McCain presidency -- it's win-win for them.
Another factor is this: odds are very high that McCain is seriously mentally unbalanced. If he blows, it will for a long time tar and feather the Republican Party as the Party that elects Crazy Old Coots. That would be a very, very bad thing.
Odds are pretty good that shrill, fragile, weak Hillary would have a Super Dean Scream moment, and if she blew, it would reveal the Democrat party for the shallow mess it is. That would be a good thing. Odds are decent that Obama would quickly reveal himself to be an empty suit and a weak player, and that also would be damaging to the Democrat party image, which would be a good thing. The more reason we give Americans to abandon the Democrat party and switch to a party that offers them a sane, dignified, real alternative to big government nanny-state tax-and-spenders, the better.
McCain can do NONE OF THOSE THINGS. Obama and Hillary CAN. When the car is skidding on ice, you turn your wheel into the turn. That's what Republicans need to understand in this presidential election.
The people I know who voted for Perot back then did so because they truly believed he might win and because Perot told them what they wanted to hear, not because they felt that Dole would be WORSE for the nation.
McCain is not a populist, not quite nuts enough to be called a lunatic, and I don't know how much he is worth, but he is NOT Bob Dole, he is NOT Bush the first. He IS the politically wounded republican party favorite. He is NOT a conservative regardless what the media (including Fox) keeps telling us.
Voting for perot was dumb. Not voting for McCain may be desperate, but it is not dumb. We have Hobson's choice between different kinds of short term pain and possible long term results - I have a strong feeling that no one, left, more left, right, or center, is going to be happy after this election.
Only if Chairman Mao is who he'd choose. Lieberman is so much more conservative than "gay ole time" Charlie there is no comparison. Crist has only been governor a short time and has brought every California flaky idea he could find to our state. Politically and personally, he's carefully hidden his real nature for years. Larry Craig had Idaho fooled. Don't let the glow from his tan fool you; he's as liberal as any Rat.
In 1992? Jim Robinson's screen name only goes back to 1997!
You can go on kidding yourself about how a vote for McCain is "smarter" because McCain is a Republican. I've listed sound, rational reasons I have for being convinced that in fact, McCain is the more dangerous candidate. I will continue to do what I can to see that he is defeated because I am convinced that McCain would be worse for the nation than Hillary or Obama.
I have seen no one here present reason to believe that McCain would be better, except misplaced faith that having an "R" next to his name somehow ensures us from disaster. I believe you're thinking short term; I think I'm thinking long-term and staying mindful that what looks simply obvious at first sometimes turns out to be complicated and misleading. It looks "obvious" that McCain, being the Republican, is "our only choice." That's misleading -- we do have other choices, and I think my gamble is a lot better than yours. Yours is a sure loser no matter who wins. With mine, at least there's a chance Republicans could gain.
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