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$3 million tax cut on Larry Ellison's estate
SF Gate ^ | 3/27/08 | James Temple, Chronicle Staff Writer

Posted on 03/27/2008 9:23:03 AM PDT by BurbankKarl

Larry Ellison, ranked 12th on the Forbes 500 list with a net worth of $25 billion, has bagged a $3 million tax break after arguing that his flamboyant Japanese-style estate in Woodside is functionally obsolete.

The chief executive officer of software giant Oracle Corp. will be paid from San Mateo County property taxes collected this year, which otherwise would have gone to schools, the county general fund and cities, among other things, Deputy Controller Kanchan Charan said. The hit to schools alone will be nearly $1.4 million.

Ellison's Octopus Holdings LP acquired the 23-acre site in May 1995 for $12 million and spent nine years constructing the lavish property, modeled on a Japanese emperor's 16th century country residence, according to the San Mateo assessment appeals board.

It consists of a nearly 8,000-square-foot main house with two wings, a guest home, three cottages and a gymnasium as well as a 5-acre man-made lake, two waterfalls and two bridges. Hundreds of mature cherry, maple and other trees were planted among nearly 1,000 redwoods, pines and oaks.

The assessor's office based its January 2005 valuation on so-called reproduction costs, the $166.3 million it should have cost to build, said Terry Flinn, deputy assessor-county clerk-recorder. Ultimately, after multiple delays and construction change orders, it ran more than $200 million.

Octopus Holdings, represented by San Francisco attorney William Bennett, asserted that it was worth only $64.7 million at that time, and in the two tax years since.

Why? How did Larry Ellison's palatial estate decline by more than 60 percent in value in a market where luxury homes are actually appreciating and single-family homes values in the county only decreased 6.3 percent in the last year, according to DataQuick Information Systems?

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: billionaires; larryellison; octopus; octopusholdings
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1 posted on 03/27/2008 9:23:04 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Ellison's estate cost more than $200 million after multiple delays and construction change orders. Chronicle photo, 2006, by Christina Koci Hernandez

2 posted on 03/27/2008 9:23:45 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Which room is Mr Miyagi’s?


3 posted on 03/27/2008 9:27:56 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: BurbankKarl

I have no opinion on the tax break, since we don’t really know the facts of the case, but maybe this article is just a little slanted...

“The chief executive officer of software giant Oracle Corp. will be paid from San Mateo County property taxes collected this year, which otherwise would have gone to schools, the county general fund and cities, among other things, Deputy Controller Kanchan Charan said. The hit to schools alone will be nearly $1.4 million.”

It’s for the children!


4 posted on 03/27/2008 9:33:26 AM PDT by Tex Pete
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To: BurbankKarl
functionally obsolete?

I wonder what would happen if I tried that ploy with my county's tax assessor? I think I would end up broke and living in a tent somewhere in the woods.

5 posted on 03/27/2008 9:34:07 AM PDT by scooter2 (The greatest threat to the security of the United States is the Democratic Party.)
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I agree with his reasoning, it’d be a tough place to sell. It’s not the same market value as a standard house. In any case the didn’t bribe anyone, just made an appeal that was successful.

As far as the tax bucks are concerned, I wonder how much revenue Ellison brings in personally and corporately to the county.


6 posted on 03/27/2008 9:36:35 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: BurbankKarl

What really strikes me is that their argument was that the home was “functionally obsolete”.

Yet it claims the property was bought in 1995 and construction took 9 years? Meaning it was finished in 2004?

How on earth is a 4 year old house “functionally obsolete”?


7 posted on 03/27/2008 9:36:44 AM PDT by eraser2005
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The best thing that can happen to San Mateo County is LESS TAXES.. LESS government.. LESS government employees..


8 posted on 03/27/2008 9:37:32 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: BurbankKarl

Saying that the cost of something went up due to change orders can be deceiving. If something is built and the owner or architect decide they want it torn out and built differently it will result in a change order; however, that DOES NOT necessarily mean that the VALUE of the final product is any different than it would have been originally.

For example, let’s say your wife has a room recarpetted and the installed price of the tile is $40/yard, you need 100 yards installed for a final price of $4000. But once it’s in, she decides she doesn’t like it and wants it torn out and she picks a different carpet which also costs $40/yard and on top of that, you are being charged $2 per yard to have the old stuff ripped out and hauled away. In the end you will have spent $8200; however, you will only have $4000 worth of carpet.


9 posted on 03/27/2008 9:40:00 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: eraser2005

Because the housing market in 1995, when he planned the place, differs greatly from the market of 2008 when he got the break? Presumably, dot-com billionaires just aren’t buying wasteful ego mansions like they used to, hence the place is now obsolete. If he had built the place as a paean to eco-greenery or some other such tripe, it would not be obsolete now.


10 posted on 03/27/2008 9:41:47 AM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: BurbankKarl
How did Larry Ellison's palatial estate decline by more than 60 percent - cost overruns and changes will tremendously increase the cost to build a house. Simply because it may cost ultimately $200 million, that does not indicate the value of the property.
11 posted on 03/27/2008 9:42:07 AM PDT by SF Republican (Conservatives wanted all or nothing, and they got it.)
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I worked at a big tech company in Foster City within a stone's throw of Oracle. I'm pretty sure I'd seen him being chauffeured to work in a big Maybach, but I guess it could have been any of the big execs at Oracle. The parking lot there was a carnival of exotic cars.

I'd heard a story where some Japanese VPs visited his office and one of them dropped his laptop on Larry's 16th century antique Japanese desk. Larry flipped out and started screaming about getting a scratch on his multi-million dollar 500 year old desk so much that the Japanese execs wanted to kill themselves and were practically kneeling on the floor begging forgiveness.

12 posted on 03/27/2008 9:43:44 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: SF Republican

is he still dating secretaries?


13 posted on 03/27/2008 9:44:23 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Sometimes laws are just WRONG.


14 posted on 03/27/2008 9:46:01 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: BurbankKarl

Amusing.

Avoiding taxes is as American as Mom’s apple pie so more power to Larry.

The govt, especially the evil govt schools, would only squander the money to no good prpose anyhow.


15 posted on 03/27/2008 9:54:46 AM PDT by Seruzawa (A skeleton walks into a bar and asks for a beer and a mop.)
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How on earth is a 4 year old house “functionally obsolete”?

yes-- and whose fault is it that his house is functionally obsolete? was he forced to build this very, very, personal house? this part of his argument is shameful... in my opinion...

16 posted on 03/27/2008 9:55:11 AM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: BurbankKarl

So ordinary crap-on people don’t ever get to see any kind of break like this. It’s only for the rich and powerful.


17 posted on 03/27/2008 9:58:16 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: BurbankKarl
Obsolete ? seems to me the property is ripe for eminent domain.
18 posted on 03/27/2008 10:08:26 AM PDT by stylin19a
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Larry Ellison is the same guy who, after September 11th, offered to give the government free software in order to institute a National ID card. Eff him.


19 posted on 03/27/2008 10:26:52 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Change.....that's what we will have left in our pockets if a Democrat gets elected president!)
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To: BurbankKarl

Ellison just forced the county to follow the law and assess his property at market value. In other words, treat him like any other property owner and not ding him with some conspicuous consumption tax or billionaire tax.

This is typical reporting by the Comical: hate the rich, hate business. All this crap about a tax break, taking money from schools and hospitals is just commie propaganda.


20 posted on 03/27/2008 10:31:37 AM PDT by telebob
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